If Young vs Hawaii is a win and we get the right to open carry, would you carry on a daily basis everywhere you go?  I see lots of places putting up No Guns Allowed signs.  I would also think that a retention holster of some sort would be the smart thing to wear.  I foresee problems trying to exercise the right to open carry in Hawaii even if it was legal.

The more people who open carry the quicker a CCW program would be put in place. I would do it as an “Every 2nd Matters” organization approach. Once a month to start conversations.

If Young vs Hawaii is a win and we get the right to open carry, would you carry on a daily basis everywhere you go?  I see lots of places putting up No Guns Allowed signs.  I would also think that a retention holster of some sort would be the smart thing to wear.  I foresee problems trying to exercise the right to open carry in Hawaii even if it was legal.

You'll be "allowed" to open carry in your home if you meet certain "standards" that are not quite as limiting as the current "security guards only". Hawaii has already argued in amicus briefs that anywhere outside the home where a member of "the public" is allowed to venture is a "sensitive place" (which Heller described as "schools and other government buildings") that may be prohibited to those bearing arms for self-defense. Thus you may (and it'll be a very restrictive "may" in my opinion) be granted the privilege of open carrying on your private property if it is sufficiently restricted to public access (i.e. fences, etc. meeting certain standards).

As much as I'd like to see the oath-breaking fascist tyrants of Hawaii get their asses handed to them on a platter, I rather doubt that will happen... not coming out of the Ninth Circuit. The people of Hawaii are too immature and stupid and mentally challenged (or something... none of the legislators or bureaucrats or law enforcement will tell me) to be "allowed" to exercise the same "privileges" (in their view) as the residents of 42 other states.

If the law is written so that private businesses can legally cite people for "trespassing" if they do not comply with "no guns"/"gun-free zone" signs, then some people will be reduced to illegally carrying concealed, as, I've heard, some people (no one on this board) do now.

I definitely don't prefer open carry but would take it over nothing. 

Open carry would still be a couple years away if it ever happens and the State would put many requirements on it.  Maybe make it like LEOSA requirements for yearly mental health checks etc.

Open carry sucks because you have to be at the highest state of situational awareness at all times.  You can't enjoy what your doing cause you're always on the lookout for someone that wants your gun.

We would be forced to open carry however because we have to show that people can be responsible and/or the public doesn't want to see guns so we can get CCW.

I believe open carry is far more dangerous than cc for the person carrying the gun.  Like zippiz said, you become a target for the criminals and retards who want to take your gun.  I personally would open carry in my car and a few other places, but not if I was going shopping because I know I would be asked to leave.

Open carry would still be a couple years away if it ever happens and the State would put many requirements on it.  Maybe make it like LEOSA requirements for yearly mental health checks etc.

Open carry sucks because you have to be at the highest state of situational awareness at all times.  You can't enjoy what your doing cause you're always on the lookout for someone that wants your gun.

We would be forced to open carry however because we have to show that people can be responsible and/or the public doesn't want to see guns so we can get CCW.

You're saying  everyone who carries openly in the 42 states where it's legal (I think 25 permitlessly so) doesn't enjoy what they're doing? Do you have a link to some reference material for that claim? Or did you mean to say that no one who open carries should enjoy what they are doing because a "responsible person" would have their full attention on maintaining control of their firearm? Maybe you can provide the links to all (some? any?) of the cases of guns being taken from open carriers. Or, for another (false) claim about open carry a list of all the cases where the open carrier was "shot first" by criminals who target them as obvious impediments to their criminal intent.

And what makes you think that if open carry is ruled a "necessity" by the courts that Hawaii would turn around and make CCW an option? The Ninth has already ruled that there is no right to concealed carry. Hawaii argued that in their briefs and amicus briefs. You think they're going to do a 180 and say "We were just kidding. Yeah, we'll grant CCW now, even though there is no right to it."?

I doubt I would elect to open carry on a regular basis.  But like with many things 2A related, the principle of the matter is that I'd like the option to exercise my rights how I see fit.

I would prefer to open carry.

Yes I would carry every day, everywhere it was legal to do so.

Businesses that have "No Firearms" policies wouldn't get my money.

The contention that open carrying "Makes You a Target" is a BS fantasy.

If you are so unaware of your surroundings that someone being successful in taking your firearms from you is a real possibility, you shouldn't be carrying a firearm.

If you aren't prepared to visit violence, up to and including lethal force on a person trying to take your firearm, you shouldn't be carrying a firearm.

Would I open carry?
Maybe just rarely

From a logistical viewpoint, given the climate and typical local style of dress (shorts and tshirt) it would be easier to go shopping with a fanny pack or murse.
My particular workplace is pretty secure too, so I don't feel the need to carry at work.

...funny story...when I started working at my current location, I couldn't even find the door to get in because it's not marked.

You're saying  everyone who carries openly in the 42 states where it's legal (I think 25 permitlessly so) doesn't enjoy what they're doing? Do you have a link to some reference material for that claim? Or did you mean to say that no one who open carries should enjoy what they are doing because a "responsible person" would have their full attention on maintaining control of their firearm? Maybe you can provide the links to all (some? any?) of the cases of guns being taken from open carriers. Or, for another (false) claim about open carry a list of all the cases where the open carrier was "shot first" by criminals who target them as obvious impediments to their criminal intent.

And what makes you think that if open carry is ruled a "necessity" by the courts that Hawaii would turn around and make CCW an option? The Ninth has already ruled that there is no right to concealed carry. Hawaii argued that in their briefs and amicus briefs. You think they're going to do a 180 and say "We were just kidding. Yeah, we'll grant CCW now, even though there is no right to it."?

That's my open carry experience from training and at work.  Most people in the public don't receive the proper training for open carry and don't know about the potential dangers.

Open carry is not recommended.  I travel a lot and I've never seen anyone open carry.  This is backed up from discussions on the topic at ar15.com where those would be the people that would open carry, but they dont and the majority do not recommend it.

I don't know what the actual statistics are if any.  There may not be any because open carry is rarely done. 

You'll be "allowed" to open carry in your home if you meet certain "standards" that are not quite as limiting as the current "security guards only". Hawaii has already argued in amicus briefs that anywhere outside the home where a member of "the public" is allowed to venture is a "sensitive place" (which Heller described as "schools and other government buildings") that may be prohibited to those bearing arms for self-defense. Thus you may (and it'll be a very restrictive "may" in my opinion) be granted the privilege of open carrying on your private property if it is sufficiently restricted to public access (i.e. fences, etc. meeting certain standards).

As much as I'd like to see the oath-breaking fascist tyrants of Hawaii get their asses handed to them on a platter, I rather doubt that will happen... not coming out of the Ninth Circuit. The people of Hawaii are too immature and stupid and mentally challenged (or something... none of the legislators or bureaucrats or law enforcement will tell me) to be "allowed" to exercise the same "privileges" (in their view) as the residents of 42 other states.

If the law is written so that private businesses can legally cite people for "trespassing" if they do not comply with "no guns"/"gun-free zone" signs, then some people will be reduced to illegally carrying concealed, as, I've heard, some people (no one on this board) do now.

I do currently "carry" both open and concealed " on my property" which is fenced in.
Fortunately am surrounded by Pro-2a neighbors who know I tend to be prepared.
As for OC vs CC, I prefer CC not for any specific reason for or against posted here, but merely for the "SURPRISE" factor which may give me that nano second edge. 

I do currently "carry" both open and concealed " on my property" which is fenced in.
Fortunately am surrounded by Pro-2a neighbors who know I tend to be prepared.
As for OC vs CC, I prefer CC not for any specific reason for or against posted here, but merely for the "SURPRISE" factor which may give me that nano second edge. 

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  SURPRISE!! the most basic defense tactic ever.

Like some wise guy said, "If you are in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
Now who was it that said that???

John Steinbeck.

John Steinbeck.

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Most sites I have looked at don't recommend open carry if you can cc.  I don't think that by OC you are making yourself a target is fantasy BS.  If I was a criminal with no gun and I saw a person walking alone carrying a firearm, I would attack them from behind with a bat or club and take their gun.

When I was in Vegas I did see an old guy OC in the IKEA store.  No one looked at him funny or anything, but NV is a very gun friendly state and a place I would like to move to, but it is not possible at the present time.  Maybe in 5 years or so.

This is a good article that brings up many good points.  I think this quote is especially true.  Most people don't realize they are under prepared for an encounter.  You should have a lot of training when open carrying to include weapons retention and hand to hand defense.


"The more professional defensive firearms training someone had, the less likely they were to choose open carry."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/02/03/open-carrier-robbed-gun-virginia/amp/

The more people who open carry the quicker a CCW program would be put in place. I would do it as an “Every 2nd Matters” organization approach. Once a month to start conversations.

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I'm a proponent of open carry. I think that the sight of guns is an effective deterrent to criminal intentions. The idea that you need to be aware of the precious thing on your hip... well, how scared are you to walk around with your pricey smartphone? Your briefcase? Your wife's purse? Your purse? Jiminy Christmas, people, you wear Nike shoes on the street where they can be seen?

There would certainly be a crossover period where the idea of seeing guns openly displayed in public caused some ruckus. But there was a crossover period where seeing women's ankles in public caused a ruckus. The sooner a thing becomes commonplace, the sooner it's...well, commonplace. If I'm the one guy in the mall with a gun on his hip, maybe I'm a target. If I'm one of 100 people in the mall with a gun on my hip, I'm a deterrent. If I'm one of 1000, I'm invisible.

You ask me, the more guns we SEE in public, the more polite society will become.

Tom G,

That reminds me of my experience in AZ in the early 90's.
Being from Hawaii, I was tripped out by the open carriers.
But no one was gonna rob 7-Eleven (whatever convenience store) with 70% of the customers carrying.

Never felt safer in my life.