HCR37 HR29 Reso to oppose CCW Reciprocity (Read 4224 times)

zippz

HCR37 HR29 Reso to oppose CCW Reciprocity
« on: March 07, 2018, 12:45:45 PM »
Sorry missed these.  Need testimony submitted today, it'll be marked late.  Same language as the Senate versions.  Copy and paste your testimony.

house resolutions opposing CCW reciprocity hearing on Thursday at 930am

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HCR&billnumber=37&year=2018

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HR&billnumber=29&year=2018

6716J

Re: HCR37 HR29 Reso to oppose CCW Reciprocity
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2018, 01:17:04 PM »
As a resident of the State of Hawaii and of the United States of America, I oppose your opposition to concealed carry reciprocity.

Our United States Constitutions Bills of Right, along with the Hawaii Constitution (noted below),  guarantees the right to keep and bear Arms. The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that the right to carry a firearm, for the purpose of self-defense, is covered by that amendment.

In United States v. Cruikshank (1876), the U.S. Supreme Court recognized that the right to arms preexisted the Constitution and in that case and in Presser v. Illinois (1886) recognized that the Second Amendment protected the right from being infringed by Congress. In United States v. Miller (1939), the Court again recognized that the right to arms is individually held and, citing the Tennessee case of Aymette v State, indicated that it protected the right to keep and bear arms that are "part of the ordinary military equipment" or the use of which could "contribute to the common defense." In its first opportunity to rule specifically on whose right the Second Amendment protects, District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Court ruled that the amendment protects an individual right "to keep and carry arms in case of confrontation," not contingent on service in a militia, while indicating, in dicta, that restrictions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, on the carrying of arms in sensitive locations, and with respect to the conditions on the sale of firearms could pass constitutional muster. In the 2010 case of McDonald v. Chicago, the Court applied incorporation doctrine to extend the Second Amendment's protections nationwide.

In commentary written by Judge Garwood in United States v. Emerson, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit concluded in 2001 that:
“...there are numerous instances of the phrase 'bear arms' being used to describe a civilian's carrying of arms. Early constitutional provisions or declarations of rights in at least some ten different states speak of the right of the 'people' [or 'citizen' or 'citizens'] "to bear arms in defense of themselves [or 'himself'] and the state,' or equivalent words, thus indisputably reflecting that under common usage 'bear arms' was in no sense restricted to bearing arms in military service. See Bliss v. Commonwealth, 13 Am. Dec. 251, 12 Ky. 90 (Ky. 1822).”

Similarly, in a released Senate report on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, Senator Orrin Hatch, chairman, U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on the Constitution, states:
“They argue that the Second Amendment's words "right of the people" mean "a right of the state" — apparently overlooking the impact of those same words when used in the First and Fourth Amendments. The "right of the people" to assemble or to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures is not contested as an individual guarantee. Still they ignore consistency and claim that the right to "bear arms" relates only to military uses. This not only violates a consistent constitutional reading of "right of the people" but also ignores that the second amendment protects a right to "keep" arms. "When our ancestors forged a land "conceived in liberty", they did so with musket and rifle. When they reacted to attempts to dissolve their free institutions, and established their identity as a free nation, they did so as a nation of armed freemen. When they sought to record forever a guarantee of their rights, they devoted one full amendment out of ten to nothing but the protection of their right to keep and bear arms against governmental interference. Under my chairmanship the Subcommittee on the Constitution will concern itself with a proper recognition of, and respect for, this right most valued by free men.””

As such and in the light of the noted precedence, Hawaii's defacto BAN on citizen’s RIGHTS to carry a firearm outside of the home for legal purposes and self-defense is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, and MUST BE OVER TURNED.

Please restore the citizen's right to carry in this state, or DO NOT OPPOSE concealed carry reciprocity.

[NAME]

MILILANI, HAWAII

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF HAWAII
PREAMBLE
We, the people of Hawaii, grateful for Divine Guidance, and mindful of our Hawaiian heritage and uniqueness as an island State, dedicate our efforts to fulfill the philosophy decreed by the Hawaii State motto, "Ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono."

We reserve the right to control our destiny, to nurture the integrity of our people and culture, and to preserve the quality of life that we desire.
We reaffirm our belief in a government of the people, by the people and for the people, and with an understanding and compassionate heart toward all the peoples of the earth, do hereby ordain and establish this constitution for the State of Hawaii. [Am Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978]

FEDERAL CONSTITUTION ADOPTED
The Constitution of the United States of America is adopted on behalf of the people of the State of Hawaii.

ARTICLE I
BILL OF RIGHTS
RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
Section 17.  A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. [Ren Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978]

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA – BILL OF RIGHTS
Amendment 2 - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

punaperson

Re: HCR37 HR29 Reso to oppose CCW Reciprocity
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2018, 08:40:06 AM »
Last minute opportunity to contact all the committee members re all four resolutions via the automated NRA-ILA site. Click on the state of Hawaii on the map and the first option there is re these bills.

https://act.nraila.org/default.aspx

Jl808

Re: HCR37 HR29 Reso to oppose CCW Reciprocity
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2018, 05:02:16 PM »
For the record...

H 3/8/2018: The committees on PBS recommend that the measure be PASSED, UNAMENDED. The votes were as follows: 4 Ayes: Representative(s) Takayama, Gates, Creagan; Ayes with reservations: Representative(s) Say; Noes: none; and 3 Excused: Representative(s) DeCoite, Ing, Thielen.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/HCR37_.pdf   
HCR37   Concealed Carry Reciprocity; United States Congress   
REQUESTING THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION OF HAWAII AND THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS TO OPPOSE "CONCEALED CARRY RECIPROCITY" LEGISLATION.      
Oppose.   TAKAYAMA, CREAGAN, EVANS, GATES, HASHEM, HOLT, ICHIYAMA, LEARMONT, LOPRESTI, MIZUNO, NISHIMOTO, SAN BUENAVENTURA, SAY, TAKUMI, YAMASHITA   PBS, JUD   HR29

H 3/8/2018: The committees on PBS recommend that the measure be PASSED, UNAMENDED. The votes were as follows: 4 Ayes: Representative(s) Takayama, Gates, Creagan; Ayes with reservations: Representative(s) Say; Noes: none; and 3 Excused: Representative(s) DeCoite, Ing, Thielen.   
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/HR29_.pdf
HR29   Concealed Carry Reciprocity; United States Congress   
REQUESTING THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION OF HAWAII AND THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS TO OPPOSE "CONCEALED CARRY RECIPROCITY" LEGISLATION.      
Oppose.   TAKAYAMA, CREAGAN, EVANS, GATES, HASHEM, HOLT, ICHIYAMA, LEARMONT, LOPRESTI, MIZUNO, NISHIMOTO, SAN BUENAVENTURA, SAY, TAKUMI, YAMASHITA   PBS, JUD   HCR37
I think, therefore I am armed.
NRA Life Patron member, HRA Life member, HiFiCo Life Member, HDF member

The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.

Pillow

Re: HCR37 HR29 Reso to oppose CCW Reciprocity
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2018, 10:42:53 AM »
Can submit testimony again today! Hearing is at 3 pm

punaperson

Re: HCR37 HR29 Reso to oppose CCW Reciprocity
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2018, 05:36:13 PM »
Passed unanimously.

HCR37 

3/21/2018   H   The committees on JUD recommend that the measure be PASSED, UNAMENDED. The votes were as follows: 5 Ayes: Representative(s) Nishimoto, San Buenaventura, Brower, Takayama, Thielen; Ayes with reservations: none; Noes: none; and 3 Excused: Representative(s) C. Lee, Morikawa, McDermott.


HR29

3/21/2018   H   The committees on JUD recommend that the measure be PASSED, UNAMENDED. The votes were as follows: 5 Ayes: Representative(s) Nishimoto, San Buenaventura, Brower, Takayama, Thielen; Ayes with reservations: none; Noes: none; and 3 Excused: Representative(s) C. Lee, Morikawa, McDermott.

Testimony on HR29: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/Session2018/Testimony/HR29_TESTIMONY_PBS_03-08-18_.PDF

Testimony on HCR37: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/Session2018/Testimony/HCR37_TESTIMONY_PBS_03-08-18_.PDF

punaperson

Re: HCR37 HR29 Reso to oppose CCW Reciprocity
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2018, 04:13:59 PM »
Typical late Friday afternoon announcement of hearing on Tuesday morning so on-time testimony needs to be in by 9:30 AM Monday morning.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SCR&billnumber=9&year=2018

3/23/2018   S   The committee(s) on JDC has scheduled a public hearing on 03-27-18 9:30AM in conference room 016.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/hearingnotices/HEARING_JDC_03-27-18-1_.HTM

SCR 9 / SR 7

      (SSCR3045) / (SSCR3046)

      Status & Testimony / Status & Testimony

REQUESTING THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION OF HAWAII AND THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS TO OPPOSE "CONCEALED CARRY RECIPROCITY" LEGISLATION.

 

punaperson

Re: HCR37 HR29 Reso to oppose CCW Reciprocity
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2018, 05:07:49 PM »
Testimony posted for JDC committee meeting tomorrow morning on SCR9/SR7.

Extremely feeble manifestation of support for the right to bear arms.

Testimony burnout? Or nobody cares because it's just a resolution? Or because no matter what happens anywhere it's a foregone conclusion that the collectivists making up Hawaii's Congressional delegation are 100% unwaveringly against the right to bear arms, so what's the point? How many times can people be expected to take the time to submit something, see testimony outcome 500 to 50 in our FAVOR, then have the committee vote UNANIMOUSLY AGAINST the 500? Even I'm tempted to quit. If it wasn't for the tact that I know they want to me quit, I might...

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/Session2018/Testimony/SCR9_TESTIMONY_JDC_03-27-18_.PDF

Direjackalope

Re: HCR37 HR29 Reso to oppose CCW Reciprocity
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2018, 10:30:12 AM »
Posted. Please keep letting us know when these are up!

shdws

Re: HCR37 HR29 Reso to oppose CCW Reciprocity
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2018, 10:37:41 AM »
Testimony posted for JDC committee meeting tomorrow morning on SCR9/SR7.

Extremely feeble manifestation of support for the right to bear arms.

Testimony burnout? Or nobody cares because it's just a resolution? Or because no matter what happens anywhere it's a foregone conclusion that the collectivists making up Hawaii's Congressional delegation are 100% unwaveringly against the right to bear arms, so what's the point? How many times can people be expected to take the time to submit something, see testimony outcome 500 to 50 in our FAVOR, then have the committee vote UNANIMOUSLY AGAINST the 500? Even I'm tempted to quit. If it wasn't for the tact that I know they want to me quit, I might...

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/Session2018/Testimony/SCR9_TESTIMONY_JDC_03-27-18_.PDF
You quit, they win.

Keep fighting the good fight puna - we need guys like you on our team.

punaperson

Re: HCR37 HR29 Reso to oppose CCW Reciprocity
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2018, 12:53:08 PM »
Passed unanimously unamended with only Senator Gabbard voting "aye with reservations".

SCR9/SR7

3/27/2018   S   The committee(s) on JDC recommend(s) that the measure be PASSED, UNAMENDED. The votes in JDC were as follows: 5 Aye(s): Senator(s) Taniguchi, K. Rhoads, Kim, L. Thielen; Aye(s) with reservations: Senator(s) Gabbard ; 0 No(es): none; and 0 Excused: none.