This is supposed to be a Government Model? (Read 3530 times)

Falken Hawke

This is supposed to be a Government Model?
« on: April 28, 2018, 09:22:00 AM »
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/04/28/breaking-news/toddler-whose-parents-fought-to-maintain-life-support-dies/
No parent should have to suffer through their child dying.  No loving parent wouldn't try to do everything they could if it meant their child might live.  No parent should have to suffer through having their Government force them to let their child die.

I've seen what it's like for a life to be lost and nothing was going to change that.  Those that live through that will grieve in their own way and ultimately, they come to terms with that in their own way.  The parents of these children have been subjected to what amounts to mental abuse by their Government in that the grieving process has been interupted and forced upon them.

It's noted that one step in grief is "denial".  By forcibly removing this step, the parents essentially are placed in perpetual grief, so to speak, by not being allowed to move past this step in their own way.

As I'm not as enlightened by the Government that thinks all of this is "right", I challenge them and those who agree to convince me, not through the "power" of the Government, but by actually convincing me.

zippz

Re: This is supposed to be a Government Model?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2018, 09:42:36 AM »
In proud to be an American.

I think Alfie was murdered.

ren

Re: This is supposed to be a Government Model?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2018, 09:44:32 AM »
How does this relate to firearms?
Deeds Not Words

zippz

Re: This is supposed to be a Government Model?
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2018, 10:08:48 AM »
How does this relate to firearms?

American militias owned their own firearms and defeated the British.  If it weren't for that then Britain would've conquered the US. Then we'd have Alfie cases in the US.

Yea should be in the political or other category.

changemyoil66

Re: This is supposed to be a Government Model?
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2018, 01:31:27 PM »
-Brit gov ordered plug pulled
-Took 6 days for Alfie to die (no food fed)
-Italy said they can save him and will fly him for free, brit gov said no.
-14 stationed police outside of hospital main entrance (like a phallax)

This is why the 2a is needed.

On a side note, brit citizens being arrested and jailed for deragatory FB post about islam. Estimate 1400 arrested.

Again when the governemnt takes your guns. They can so what ever they want.

Father should have went John Q, but he had no gun.



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eyeeatingfish

Re: This is supposed to be a Government Model?
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2018, 11:33:04 PM »
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/04/28/breaking-news/toddler-whose-parents-fought-to-maintain-life-support-dies/
No parent should have to suffer through their child dying.  No loving parent wouldn't try to do everything they could if it meant their child might live.  No parent should have to suffer through having their Government force them to let their child die.

I've seen what it's like for a life to be lost and nothing was going to change that.  Those that live through that will grieve in their own way and ultimately, they come to terms with that in their own way.  The parents of these children have been subjected to what amounts to mental abuse by their Government in that the grieving process has been interupted and forced upon them.

It's noted that one step in grief is "denial".  By forcibly removing this step, the parents essentially are placed in perpetual grief, so to speak, by not being allowed to move past this step in their own way.
As I'm not as enlightened by the Government that thinks all of this is "right", I challenge them and those who agree to convince me, not through the "power" of the Government, but by actually convincing me.

I feel for the parents and I can only imagine what pain they felt seeing their child slowly disappear.

As I understand it, some countries have different ideas on how much suffering is worth if it saves a life. In America we sort of have the mentality that there is no limit to the amount of suffer, if there is a 1% chance that someone could live. Then there are also those who decide the pain isn't worth the fight and will choose a more peaceful death than face the struggle. When it comes to the sick person being an adult we tend to give more leeway to the individual, letting them decide whether they want to fight through for a small chance at living. Though ironically the so called death with dignity practice is not legal in a lot (most?) places in America.

When it comes to a child though, especially one at this age, we are faced with the question of what rights the parents have. Do the parents have the ultimate say or is there ever a time when an outside force should step in and say that the child is suffering too much. A parent who knows their child is going to die is facing so much emotion that their decision making process is likely going to be compromised. So when do we as a society decide that someone should step in?

I am not trying to say which one is the right decision here, only illustrate the great difficulty that exists in addressing this philosophical and moral question. To be the judge that has to decide the case must have been quite stressful.

Side note:
But if no parent should have to suffer their child dying because the government deemed it so then should no parent also suffer their child dying because insurance refused to cover it or by the inability to afford it? Ironically I see this as both an argument for socialized medicine as much as it is against it.

eyeeatingfish

Re: This is supposed to be a Government Model?
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2018, 11:41:43 PM »
-Italy said they can save him and will fly him for free, brit gov said no.


As far as I have been able to gather, Italy did not have any new treatments for the child. It appears they were just offering palliative care, making him more comfortable, and did not have anything to treat the condition itself.

scorpio ps

Re: This is supposed to be a Government Model?
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2018, 07:47:56 AM »
-Brit gov ordered plug pulled
-Took 6 days for Alfie to die (no food fed)
-Italy said they can save him and will fly him for free, brit gov said no.
-14 stationed police outside of hospital main entrance (like a phallax)

This is why the 2a is needed.

On a side note, brit citizens being arrested and jailed for deragatory FB post about islam. Estimate 1400 arrested.

Again when the governemnt takes your guns. They can so what ever they want.

Father should have went John Q, but he had no gun.



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Ok help me understand. What are you implying. I'm trying to read in between the lines of your post. So I don't come to the wrong conclusion, can you please explain what you would do if you had a gun.

changemyoil66

Re: This is supposed to be a Government Model?
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2018, 08:02:57 AM »
Im trying to say, with the taking away of guns (or making it so difficult so no one buys them), a government can do what they want because no one can stop them (tyranical government).

Examples : fb post and now ordering plug pulled and putting cops down stairs. Bundy in Oregon.

Personally, i wouldnt go againts the governement because i would lose.

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dafrtknocker

Re: This is supposed to be a Government Model?
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2018, 08:26:03 AM »