Got screwed for CCW application (Read 16099 times)

changemyoil66

Got screwed for CCW application
« on: May 09, 2018, 05:39:25 PM »
Went to register the CZ P10C and the snack shop side was open for apps. I went right to register the pistol.

Wanted to drop off CCW app after that but was told the snack shop side is a "gun free zone".

 Cant leave gun in car, and HPD had no "storage". Only option was to go home and drop off gun and come back. Or drop off back at gun shop and come back. I didnt want to make a 3rd trip in 1 day.

What was salt on the wound was there was no line. Ill try again later.



Was told to go home drop off gun and come back.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2018, 06:36:12 PM »
Went to register the CZ P10C and the snack shop side was open for apps. I went right to register the pistol.

Wanted to drop off CCW app after that but was told the snack shop side is a "gun free zone".

 Cant leave gun in car, and HPD had no "storage". Only option was to go home and drop off gun and come back. Or drop off back at gun shop and come back. I didnt want to make a 3rd trip in 1 day.

What was salt on the wound was there was no line. Ill try again later.



Was told to go home drop off gun and come back.

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If you had the gun case in a backpack, and if you didn't ask if it's okay to bring a pistol in, I doubt they would have even known you had it. 

Did they have signs posted saying "no guns"?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

dogman

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2018, 06:53:29 PM »
Did they have signs posted saying "no guns"?
Something like that, I believe No Firearms?

stangzilla

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2018, 07:17:09 PM »
There is the sign "gun free zone"

I've witnessed someone leave a firearm on the gun side while they do business on the paper side before, but this is hpd firearms division. Expect the unexpected.....

michaelkih

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2018, 11:53:58 PM »
Walk past gun free zone signs every time.  They do no one any good.

changemyoil66

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2018, 08:55:38 AM »
There is the sign "gun free zone"

I've witnessed someone leave a firearm on the gun side while they do business on the paper side before, but this is hpd firearms division. Expect the unexpected.....

I've seen this many times, but hey had to go and feed the meter.  The issue is that the people there registering guns won't steal anything (law abiding).  But it's the others who come in to pick up police reports might.  I've seen bums inside many times.

changemyoil66

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2018, 10:48:07 AM »
Guy at window told me "only PD or military can apply".

Told him we are a "may issue" state and anyone can apply.

Asked if i was testing his knowledge. Situation started to be confrontational.

Asked if i was the guy that kept applying. Told him i was there on weds registering a pistol, but couldnt enter due to "gun free zone" sign.

Then another officer said "he's just trying his luck". And that i can apply.

Was made to fill out 2 sets of medical waivers (yellow and white 4 total papers) and 2 permit apps (ones in the front, not carbon). Even though app online doesnt require. I didnt want to argue more.

After that officer was cool and said he actually thinks its a good idea.

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6716J

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2018, 11:24:04 AM »
Guy at window told me "only PD or military can apply".

Told him we are a "may issue" state and anyone can apply.

Asked if i was testing his knowledge. Situation started to be confrontational.

Asked if i was the guy that kept applying. Told him i was there on weds registering a pistol, but couldnt enter due to "gun free zone" sign.

Then another officer said "he's just trying his luck". And that i can apply.

Was made to fill out 2 sets of medical waivers (yellow and white 4 total papers) and 2 permit apps (ones in the front, not carbon). Even though app online doesnt require. I didnt want to argue more.

After that officer was cool and said he actually thinks its a good idea.

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Does HPD even know what the laws actually say? Obviously looking through past posts about registering, permits, CCW, etc, they just seem to make it up as they go along and on how they feel at that particular moment.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

changemyoil66

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2018, 11:28:13 AM »
Does HPD even know what the laws actually say? Obviously looking through past posts about registering, permits, CCW, etc, they just seem to make it up as they go along and on how they feel at that particular moment.

I wonder how many others were turned away because they were told the same.  I did feel uncomfortable while trying to explain the law, but that's just the way I am, I don't like to rock the boat.

I was surprised they didn't ask for my pistol registration.  But I guess when I showed what's required via the HPD website, #1 says must have a registered pistol in Hawaii, not bring your reg.

Don't want to be labeled a "fanatic" either.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2018, 11:29:43 AM »
I wonder how many others were turned away because they were told the same.  I did feel uncomfortable while trying to explain the law, but that's just the way I am, I don't like to rock the boat.

I was surprised they didn't ask for my pistol registration.  But I guess when I showed what's required via the HPD website, #1 says must have a registered pistol in Hawaii, not bring your reg.

Don't want to be labeled a "fanatic" either.

They already have your pistol registration on file. They can easily look it up if that's all that's stopping approval.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2018, 12:30:57 PM »
They already have your pistol registration on file. They can easily look it up if that's all that's stopping approval.

They looked it up on the system.  But what's stopping the approval would be the chief.  Officer at the counter said my CCW app goes straight to her desk.  But did like my reason why I fear for my life.

ren

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2018, 12:50:17 PM »
Reason for CCW in Hawaii?
Because carrying a big dog is not practical.
Well maybe if we can alter the definition of "service" dog to include self-defense dog.
Deeds Not Words

stangzilla

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2018, 12:53:08 PM »
Does HPD even know what the laws actually say? Obviously looking through past posts about registering, permits, CCW, etc, they just seem to make it up as they go along and on how they feel at that particular moment.

that is a correct observation


when I applied years ago, officer told me, "what you going apply for?  you going get denied anyways."

stangzilla

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2018, 12:55:51 PM »
Guy at window told me "only PD or military can apply".

Told him we are a "may issue" state and anyone can apply.

Asked if i was testing his knowledge. Situation started to be confrontational.

Asked if i was the guy that kept applying. Told him i was there on weds registering a pistol, but couldnt enter due to "gun free zone" sign.

Then another officer said "he's just trying his luck". And that i can apply.

Was made to fill out 2 sets of medical waivers (yellow and white 4 total papers) and 2 permit apps (ones in the front, not carbon). Even though app online doesnt require. I didnt want to argue more.

After that officer was cool and said he actually thinks its a good idea.

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you didn't get fingerprinted or had to turn in 2 passport photo's?

changemyoil66

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2018, 01:01:59 PM »
When the cop said i have a good reason.

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changemyoil66

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2018, 01:09:04 PM »
No prints, but 2 pass pics. And im in rapback already, although app instructions make no mention of "enroll in rapback".

Completed ccw app
Registered handgun in hawaii
Gov issued ID
Hunters ed or hawaii handgun safety course affadavid
2 passport photos

No mention of other forms i had to complete.
you didn't get fingerprinted or had to turn in 2 passport photo's?

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London808

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2018, 01:24:26 PM »
you didn't get fingerprinted or had to turn in 2 passport photo's?

Which is funny because I would say it’s the one time they could get away with Rapback enrollment
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

michaelkih

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2018, 03:00:59 PM »
that is a correct observation


when I applied years ago, officer told me, "what you going apply for?  you going get denied anyways."

How the hell is that constitutional here at all?!  Such absolute bullshit.  Just carry regardless of their BS laws.

macsak

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2018, 03:54:48 PM »
How the hell is that constitutional here at all?!  Such absolute bullshit.  Just carry regardless of their BS laws.

no one on this forum does anything illegal...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2018, 04:11:24 PM »
no one on this forum does anything illegal...

You know that for a fact?

I think you're being disingenuous.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw