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macsak

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2018, 05:19:10 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on May 11, 2018, 04:11:24 PM
You know that for a fact?

I think you're being disingenuous.

it's a fact...
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2018, 07:49:39 PM »
Quote from: macsak on May 11, 2018, 05:19:10 PM
it's a fact...

I have my doubts, but that's their business.
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scorpio ps

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2018, 01:50:55 PM »
Quote from: ren on May 11, 2018, 12:50:17 PM
Reason for CCW in Hawaii?
Because carrying a big dog is not practical.
Well maybe if we can alter the definition of "service" dog to include self-defense dog.
You got it all wrong. You get the dog to carry the door stop. Both can remind of bad advice. I had high hopes for the new chief. Not so much now. One somewhat old guard going after the really old guard and union reps. No different MO than past chiefs.
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scorpio ps

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2018, 01:55:04 PM »
Kind of like ethnic cleansing. Except you loose your job and not your life.
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zippz

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2018, 07:00:23 AM »
Here's a website for ccw stats from all the states.

https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/

Hawaii is the only states with no permits issued.  But on the bright side we have one of the lowest CCW permit fees in the nation  >:D
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changemyoil66

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2018, 08:16:02 AM »
Yup, cost me zero...well $13 for the pics at longs.
Quote from: zippz on May 13, 2018, 07:00:23 AM
Here's a website for ccw stats from all the states.

https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/

Hawaii is the only states with no permits issued.  But on the bright side we have one of the lowest CCW permit fees in the nation  >:D

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z06psi

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2018, 07:45:07 PM »
Quote from: 6716J on May 11, 2018, 11:24:04 AM
Does HPD even know what the laws actually say? Obviously looking through past posts about registering, permits, CCW, etc, they just seem to make it up as they go along and on how they feel at that particular moment.

Wait until I walk in there with shipping docs for all of my firearms, Federal retirement orders, and plane tickets for Wed and ask to un-register my weapons.  Ought to be interesting.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2018, 07:52:43 PM »
Quote from: z06psi on May 13, 2018, 07:45:07 PM
Wait until I walk in there with shipping docs for all of my firearms, Federal retirement orders, and plane tickets for Wed and ask to un-register my weapons.  Ought to be interesting.

Don't forget removal from RAPBACK, too.

You should ask the Data Center at some later point in time to verify you were removed.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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robtmc

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2018, 08:08:42 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on May 13, 2018, 07:52:43 PM
Don't forget removal from RAPBACK, too.

You have got to be shiiting me...........

Once you are in the database, you never get out. 

Why so many of us refuse to get any new "permission" slips from our benevolent masters.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2018, 08:26:37 PM »
Quote from: robtmc on May 13, 2018, 08:08:42 PM
You have got to be shiiting me...........

Once you are in the database, you never get out. 

Why so many of us refuse to get any new "permission" slips from our benevolent masters.

HPD says you can be unsubscribed if you no longer have guns registered in Hawaii.  It would be great for someone to do that and verify the subscription was removed.

RAPBACK is a reporting system. If you're ever included in the FBI's biometric repository, then you'll remain forever.  RAPBACK reports to the subscribing agency (HPD) if you have any interaction with law enforcement in any other state.  They should be able to cancel that.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

z06psi

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2018, 10:04:48 PM »
I was never in RAPBACK.  I refused to  buy a gun after that crap.  100% of my firearm property is no longer in my possession.
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z06psi

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2018, 10:29:23 PM »
I want the to unregister my weapons or write me a letter stating they cannot because the law does not allow them to.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2018, 10:43:58 PM »
Quote from: z06psi on May 13, 2018, 10:04:48 PM
I was never in RAPBACK.  I refused to  buy a gun after that crap.  100% of my firearm property is no longer in my possession.

Cool.  I'm the same.  So far, nothing registered since RAPBACK became law.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Rocky

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2018, 07:23:03 AM »
When I permanently removed my firearms to another state and asked if I needed to fill out some type of form, I was told  "once it leaves the state of Hawaii, we don't give a $h!t".
That was when RapBack was just a thought..
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changemyoil66

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2018, 09:00:02 AM »
Quote from: Rocky on May 14, 2018, 07:23:03 AM
When I permanently removed my firearms to another state and asked if I needed to fill out some type of form, I was told  "once it leaves the state of Hawaii, we don't give a $h!t".
That was when RapBack was just a thought..

They're right.  Because many states do not have registration nor care.  My first time CCWing in Vegas, I called metro just to confirm what I read online about the law is correct.  They kind of laughed.  No reg, no places to keep, don't care about ammo either (not treated the same as firearms).  The only thing they were serious about was if I have a long gun inside my car, don't chamber a round.  That is illegal.  But I can keep the rifle on the seat next to me without a case if I want.

I could have been more of a dick and not filled out the additional forms, but I didn't want to escalate the situation even if I'm right.  I could have also argued that when applying for CCW, the law doesn't mention enrollment into RAPBACK even if I'm already in it.
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z06psi

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2018, 07:29:09 PM »
Quote from: Rocky on May 14, 2018, 07:23:03 AM
When I permanently removed my firearms to another state and asked if I needed to fill out some type of form, I was told  "once it leaves the state of Hawaii, we don't give a $h!t".
That was when RapBack was just a thought..

That's just it. I care even if they don't.  I want my name and my property erased.

I can un-register my car, pet, and bicycle but not my firearms.  Something basically wrong with that.   I am going to find out what they say tomorrow.
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changemyoil66

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2018, 07:36:09 PM »
Quote from: z06psi on May 14, 2018, 07:29:09 PM
That's just it. I care even if they don't.  I want my name and my property erased.

I can un-register my car, pet, and bicycle but not my firearms.  Something basically wrong with that.   I am going to find out what they say tomorrow.
If i were a betting man, i would say they gonna tell u no problem just to get u out of there.then u find out months later, u still in.

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z06psi

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2018, 07:45:52 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on May 14, 2018, 07:36:09 PM
If i were a betting man, i would say they gonna tell u no problem just to get u out of there.then u find out months later, u still in.

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Rocky

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2018, 08:11:37 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on May 14, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
"when applying for CCW, the law doesn't mention require enrollment into RAPBACK''
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changemyoil66

Re: Got screwed for CCW application
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2018, 02:05:33 PM »
Here is a little cliff notes of "why I fear for my life".  The app ask that question, so putting stuff in about the 2a right doesn't answer the question.

1) Chief said we're short 200+ officers, letters going out to victims about how detectives don't have the man power to investigate crimes
2)  Warren vs. DC supreme court case said that PD doesn't have a duty to protect and won't be held liable if failure to do so.  So combo of ruling plus shortage means in I'm in trouble, I'm on my own because cops are rarely "johnny on the spot"
3) My neighbor was robbed at gun point 20 feet from my door in 2016 (no report #, but time and date and location provided)
4) My car was broken into in March 2018 and the criminal tried to run my neighbor over when confronted. There were 5 of them in the car.  (report # provided)
5) The app also ask "why I fear for my property".  I wrote that I can't use deadly force to protect my property due to our deadly force law (death, serious injury, etc...) and I understand the law.  So I do not fear for my property.
6) I have my Nevada CCW and completed the required course approved by the Metro PD.  Which is required by law. (shows I have some training)
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