the movie "the road" is probably the worst case scenario.  Something that happened that also affected the planet and soil so you can't even grow food.  Not really sure what one can do in that situation.  Sure the movie sorta ended on a happy note, but i couldn't help but think, how much longer will they be able to survive?  Without being able to grow food, the planet is going to run out of things to eat eventually.....and then that's the end.  Of everyone and everything.  So gloomy. 

After Armageddon seems somewhat more of a realistic scenario.  I saw it on youtube and made sure I downloaded it to my hdd before youtube deletes it due to copywrite issues.

As far as prepping....i have 6 cans of beans and a case of bottled water that will expire in a year or two lol.  And some guns and ammo -_-

If anyone really wants to see it and can't find it, i can try post the vids of after armageddon on youtube, but the quality might suck since it will be a re-up of a vid that was downloaded from youtube.

Remember...alot of us have guns and ammo too.

Remember...alot of us have guns and ammo too.

yea ok..and that means what exactly

Focus on food & water. Is all that means. ☺

Well said Dregs.

Bug-Out meaning like tsunami or other less-than-2hr-notice event.

I would skip the bug out bags all together as the premise of those are out dated in my opinion. We live in a world where surviving out of a backpack off the land is near impossible at best. If I were you I would build around some type of small four wheeled cart. In this solution you could carry far more supplies for your entire family.
I have some of these carts where I work and I'll get a pic up friday for you.

Edit: could you give a little info on where you live and what type of terrain you'll be bugging out in?

 

I keep my gas in a vented shed out back. Make sure you close the gas cans tight and you should be OK.

other than youtube, anyone else have a good source for BugOutBag opinions/instructionals?  I wanna put one together, but since i've got kids, the size and weight it can be is limited.(have to prep lots of "other" essential stuff too) 

Bug-Out meaning like tsunami or other less-than-2hr-notice event.

The problem with living on an island is, no matter where you go there are already other people there.  Having a spot to yourself in the woods within walking distance of your house/residential area, is about as likely as having a beach to yourself all day for a weekend.  It's near-impossible because Hawaii (especially Oahu) is just teaming with people. 

To me a BOB is to get me from work or my car, to my home, my parent's home, or my GF's house as safely and effectively as possible.  The supplies and resources I have at any of those three places will always be greater than what I could carry, wheel around on a cart, or even hope to load up in a vehicle. 

Possible scenarios that could happen to Hawaii:
Hurricane/Tornado - I'm better off inside a sheltered home than outside
Tsunami/flood -  same, but mainly because my house is outside of a possible flood zone. 
Acid rain/hail - Again, better under a roof than out in the woods
Earthquake - this is 50/50 for me.  Inside I run the risk of getting crushed, outside I run the risk of falling boulders or trees
Military Invasion/economic collapse/government overthrow - again this is 50/50, there's a chance I could avoid detection living in the woods somewhere, but I would have to be pretty deep in the woods to do it.  Not all of my loved ones are able to travel that far, or sustain themselves that way.  In my house I have more ammunition and food. 
Nuclear attack - Either way, inside or outside I'm probably fried and dead.  I might as well be comfortable in my house. 

The one instance where I could see a BOB being preferable to bugging in is in the event of a wide spreading fire.  In that case, I'm better off running away than staying inside. 

I have about 15 gallons of gas stashed around my place. Some gets rotated into the lawn equipment, some into the bikes, some for the trucks. The gas I use is ethanol free which works great for me, and nothing I use it in complains. I believe it stores better and a lot of boaters would agree too. I keep a five gallon can on my 4 wheeler, which gets rotated about once a month or so, and I have ten or so gallons around the yard in various size cans.

Out of curiosity, you got a spot picked out in kunia, or are you planning on finding one when you get there. I ask because I know some folks that have ranches in that area, and are quite unfriendly to new faces.

on  a side note, i'm starting to buy 5 gal plastic gas cans to store fuel.  I've learned that it is a complete waste of time/gas to get in line at the gas station once an emergency is announced.... not to mention dangerous.  Last time I did that, people were pretty close to fighting.  So, i'm thinking i'll just store enough for a complete fill-up of my car so I don't have to get fuel.  After doing research, I found out that storing gas in a enclosed garage is DANGEROUS.   The fumes can build up and one spark, kaboom.  Anyone store gas?  How do you do it?  i'm thinking i'll put Sta-bil in it and rotate it through my vehicles every 3 months or so.

One bad thing about the gas that is available now is the ethanol contained within.  It is a useless additive to the gas, it barely does anything to reduce pollution because it is being burned in um, gas, it adds to the growing cost of the stuff, and worst of all, it Effs up any thing you put it in.(unless you burn it up very frequently)
The ethanol will eat many gaskets and rubber used in most of the older engines and carburetors that people use, such as generators, automobiles, boats, and motorcycles.  Also, gas stored, even in a plastic can, can absorb moisture in the air. You'll end up with bad gas on top and water/sludge on the bottom.   I know, because that s***t effed up my motorcycles gaskets, which I now have to fix, under my own coin. This is also why boaters hate this stuff.  How'd you like to be 5 miles out, and find that your engines hoses and gaskets are eaten up, and your fuel tank is half full of water/sludge?

If you cannot get non-ethanol gas, like Tons suggests, then go down to Westmarine and get those additives that are made specifically for treating the ethanol gas.  I think the best one, the one many boaters use, is called 'Star tron'.  It is pricey, but the gas that has been stored will have a better chance of being good when you need it the most.

good insight everyone.

tonsofguns, nowhere specific in Kunia, it's just that it's straight up from the area i live, and i'm talking tsunami where I gotta head for high ground.  I think that most other SHTF scenarios, i'd go to a relatives house if I could not stay at home. 

Good info on the gas and marine community.  They are the ones that are taking it in the A$$ when it comes to ethanol.  I even heard that the ethanol brings down fuel economy.  I'm willing to rotate it out every 3 months, and stabil has keep it "ok" for that length of time from what I have experienced.

I buy my ethanol free gas at the Aloha station (not all offer it though), costs a little less than premium. You should be able to find it at stations around harbors or boat ramps. Maybe Costco or Sams offers it, but I don't know for sure.

This looked fun so I had to do it!
 
Possible scenarios that could happen to Hawaii:
 

• Hurricane/Tornado - Staying home. Concrete walls, and a second floor to take most of the damage for me.
• Tsunami/Flood -  Staying home. Live on the side of a hill. It's got to be a really, REALLY, bad flood or biblical tsunami for it to affect us. 
• Acid Rain/Hail - Staying home. Same reason as #1. Emphasis on the last part 
• Earthquake - Definitely BOB'ing it. We live downhill of a high-rise condo. I'm no physicist, but something tells me that if that building is going down, it's more likely to fall downhill than uphill, depending on the stress points.
• Military Invasion/Government Overthrow - 50/50. Depends on the situation! French Resistance style? Or Guerilla warfare style?
• Economic Collapse- Bugging in but bugging in somewhere else. Either my parents or her parents.   
  Nuclear Attack - Definitely outside. No need life-sustaining BOB though. LOL!
• Zombie Apocalypse - Need BOB to conduct salvage operations or scout for resources and safe spots. Better to have it before-hand than having to scrounge for it afterwards!
• Alien Encounter - Definitely have a BOB on hand. What goes in it depends on if they're here to save us or enslave us. lol. Comfort items? Or WAR!! items?

 

I buy my ethanol free gas at the Aloha station (not all offer it though), costs a little less than premium. You should be able to find it at stations around harbors or boat ramps. Maybe Costco or Sams offers it, but I don't know for sure.

Is this gas free of road tax? Which one are you going to?
Thanks Tons.

Don't forget a bug out bag stashed at work in case you need to get home.

Water, boonie hat, food bars, walking/running shoes.

Antithesis & Dregs - how about a nuclear attack that fell short and caused an EMP.     

Aloha gas across from the Hygeinic store, by the Heeia Kea harbor.

I forgot about the bag for getting back home from work or some place. That I will definitely recommend. For the bag I keep in my car I use a small backpack, inside I keep a poncho, socks, para cord, canteen, and a mayday bar. Don't really need more than that for walking home.

BTW, Hawaii was already hit once with an EMP. Also, in any event, you should be prepared to be cut off from the mainland for at least a few months.

- Gas: I never let my tank go below 1/2 full. I also carry a small 5-gallon container of gasoline in the bed of my truck locked up by a cheap bike lock. Whenever I go to fill up, I use the 5 gallons from the container and then top off the rest of the tank; then obviously I fill the container back up. Assuming the worst case scenario (disaster strikes when my tank is at the 1/2 way point), this gives me about 12 gallons total of fuel...more than enough to get me where ever I need to go on this island.

- BOBs are a very individual thing. I live 200 yards from the ocean, I know that if a 7+ magnatude earthquake hits the Big Island, I have 15-25 minutes after the sirens go off to get the hell out of dodge before the tsunami rolls in. That means that I need to be out of there within 5-10 minutes, TOPS. As it stands right now (and I drill myself on a regular basis), I can get my BOB, my 3 primary tupperware bins of preps, and my dog into my truck in 3-5 minutes (depends if the elevators are working) from the moment the sirens go off.

- Some (all?) water and sewage treatment facilities use chlorine gas to remove contaminates. If there is an incident (man-made or natural disaster) which causes the gas to be released, then anyone upwind needs to be able to bug out ASAP. I am not at all versed on the facilities here in Hawaii, so this may not be something that applies to most people, but it's something to consider. 

other than youtube, anyone else have a good source for BugOutBag opinions/instructionals?  I wanna put one together, but since i've got kids, the size and weight it can be is limited.(have to prep lots of "other" essential stuff too) 

Bug-Out meaning like tsunami or other less-than-2hr-notice event.

Dood, there are so many resources if you know where to look! 

http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4103   (You can literally spend weeks reading all of the BOB info they have in this forum)
http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/tag/bug-out-bag       (Jack Spirko is the heat. End.)
http://chipmonk.podbean.com/?s=bug+out   
http://handgunpodcast.com/jack-spirko-bug-out-bags-069/

- Alex

Speaking of bugging home.  Anybody know of a walking trail between waipio and mililani?