so that you can pay for things that other people who don't work , want
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ocasio-cortez-socialism-apos-part-065937406.html

This is the problem with the 16th Amendment.
There are many more poor than producers.
Seems to be human nature.
I'm a charitable guy, but I'm more than happy
to starve and obliterate lazy Democrat voters
with EBT cards and driving $60,000 Diesel
4WD four door F 350's.
BTW my newest truck is a 2004, needs a Transmission
and soon an engine.

At least for health care we end up paying for them anyway with ER prices. We shouldn't give them free housing but there is an argument to be made for free health care.

At least for health care we end up paying for them anyway with ER prices. We shouldn't give them free housing but there is an argument to be made for free health care.

Why does a doctor who spent a fortune and years of his/her LIFE getting trained
owe you something for free?

At least for health care we end up paying for them anyway with ER prices. We shouldn't give them free housing but there is an argument to be made for free health care.

There is also proof that government can't provide said healthcare even after massive taxation.

UK is experiencing horrible wait times with "free" healthcare there, and people are LITERALLY dying to be seen.

Jan 2018

LONDON — At some emergency wards, patients wait more than 12 hours before they are tended to. Corridors
are jammed with beds carrying frail and elderly patients waiting to be admitted to hospital wards. Outpatient
appointments were canceled to free up staff members, and by Wednesday morning hospitals had been ordered
to postpone nonurgent surgeries until the end of the month.

Cuts to the National Health Service budget in Britain have left hospitals stretched over the winter for years, but
this time a flu outbreak, colder weather and high levels of respiratory illnesses have put the N.H.S. under the
highest strain in decades.

The situation has become so dire that the head of the health service is warning that the system is overwhelmed.

Some doctors took to Twitter to vent their frustrations publicly. One complained of having to practice “battlefield
medicine,” while another apologized for the “3rd world conditions” caused by overcrowding.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/uk-national-health-service.html

Why does a doctor who spent a fortune and years of his/her LIFE getting trained
owe you something for free?

Hippocratic Oath?
Doctors are good people?

Hippocratic Oath?
Doctors are good people?

Maybe half a century ago before medicine became as technologically diverse as it has. Today, most specialize due to the breadth of knowledge needed to do just one specific service, like Radiology or Oncology.

Too much time, energy and sacrifice to learn and keep up with to not want commensurate compensation.

We can't all be Mother Teresa.

Why does a doctor who spent a fortune and years of his/her LIFE getting trained
owe you something for free?

I never said doctors shouldn't be paid. I am referring to a publicly funded health care system

There is also proof that government can't provide said healthcare even after massive taxation.

UK is experiencing horrible wait times with "free" healthcare there, and people are LITERALLY dying to be seen.

Jan 2018

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/uk-national-health-service.html

There are functioning publicly funded health care systems all over the world. Each have their own drawbacks and difficulties. UK has people dying from long waits and we have people dying from preventable diseases because they can't afford treatmen and or going bankrupt.  Pointing out problems of other societies doesn't allow us to ignore those of our own. It also doesn't mean we can't do it better.

demand is greater than supply
When something is free there are no controls to limit needs.
If I did my due diligence to work, save money to care for my families' healthcare needs why should I pay for those that didn't?

There are functioning publicly funded health care systems all over the world. Each have their own drawbacks and difficulties. UK has people dying from long waits and we have people dying from preventable diseases because they can't afford treatmen and or going bankrupt.  Pointing out problems of other societies doesn't allow us to ignore those of our own. It also doesn't mean we can't do it better.

So in your world, it's better to drain capital from the citizens in the form of massive taxation, take over the healthcare industry, and still provide the same level of care as the private system?

The government appreciates your financial support.   

So in your world, it's better to drain capital from the citizens in the form of massive taxation, take over the healthcare industr

Of course, that is the leftist/globalist way:  government uber-alles.

why should I pay for those that didn't?

Cause you're a swell guy.  Thousands of poor people depend on you.

We already waste trillions of our tax dollars to support parasites who would rather bleed the system to buy useless status symbols rather than go out and get real jobs

It's called the Military Industrial Complex

Yep. Sold the govt some underground silos and Im chillin in my condo above Ala Moana. Love the view here.

demand is greater than supply
When something is free there are no controls to limit needs.
If I did my due diligence to work, save money to care for my families' healthcare needs why should I pay for those that didn't?

Why should I pay taxes to educate your kids if I don't have kids? We already have a number of socialized systems in our society. If we are to use that same logic we would need to eliminate a lot of services and charge everyone separately.

But even if you are responsible and buy insurance you are still paying into a subsidized system that averages costs to everyone. Furthermore even being responsible under our current system can still end up leaving you broke under the right circumstances. And when that broke person needs more health care they go to the ER and anyway and you and I end up paying for it anyway.

I wouldn't personally advocate an entirely free system, I would want a co-pay to be required.

So in your world, it's better to drain capital from the citizens in the form of massive taxation, take over the healthcare industry, and still provide the same level of care as the private system?

The government appreciates your financial support.   

That's not how I would choose to fund it or how I would choose to run it though.

There are functioning publicly funded health care systems all over the world.

Don"t forget about the VA.
307,000 veterans may have died awaiting Veterans Affairs health care, report says

https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/politics/va-inspector-general-report/index.html

Why should I pay taxes to educate your kids if I don't have kids? We already have a number of socialized systems in our society. If we are to use that same logic we would need to eliminate a lot of services and charge everyone separately.

But even if you are responsible and buy insurance you are still paying into a subsidized system that averages costs to everyone. Furthermore even being responsible under our current system can still end up leaving you broke under the right circumstances. And when that broke person needs more health care they go to the ER and anyway and you and I end up paying for it anyway.

I wouldn't personally advocate an entirely free system, I would want a co-pay to be required.

I agree. You shouldn't pay for my kids education.
So who will pay for free healthcare?

Don"t forget about the VA.
307,000 veterans may have died awaiting Veterans Affairs health care, report says

https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/politics/va-inspector-general-report/index.html

Part of the Military Industrial Complex