Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii (Read 32211 times)

6716J

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2018, 10:40:48 AM »
Hawaii County only has 14 days to file the motion to appeal for an En Banc ruling. But there are other things that can extend the time or help them.
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groveler

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #61 on: July 31, 2018, 01:05:05 PM »
Hawaii County only has 14 days to file the motion to appeal for an En Banc ruling. But there are other things that can extend the time or help them.

Any ideas how to stop the motion, Legally of course?
The Big Island has a history of "fixing" things,
but this is a big deal and needs to be done right.
I applied for a carry license last week.  I expect
it to be refused as usual,  so I will need to file Qui Tam
against the Political officer in charge of the police dept.
 

zippz

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #62 on: July 31, 2018, 01:26:47 PM »
patience young grasshoppers

zippz

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #63 on: July 31, 2018, 01:36:36 PM »
What the case needs is amicus briefs, information supporting the case, submitted by organizations like the HRA, HDF, LIFE, etc.  They would need to be submitted within 30 days of the petition and would need to be reviewed by an attorney.   You can request your organizations to submit an amicus brief.  This is the most effective thing to do for an appeal.   Donations may also be needed which is being planned.

RSN172

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #64 on: July 31, 2018, 05:10:53 PM »
Then in 3 to 5 years from now, you may be allowed to carry in Hawaii.  Knowing this state, they will say the ruling only applies to Hawaii County, issue 6 month permits that cost $500 and just make it as difficult as possible to get a permit.
Happily living in Puna

ren

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #65 on: July 31, 2018, 05:14:02 PM »
Hawaii County only has 14 days to file the motion to appeal for an En Banc ruling. But there are other things that can extend the time or help them.

They will require the ruling to be made in Hawaiian, Japanese, Filipino, Chinese and sign language so that they can properly interpret.
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drck1000

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #66 on: July 31, 2018, 05:22:27 PM »
I thought there was a ruling by which government can’t effective restrict or limit exercising of constitutional rights by making it prohibitively expensive. I thought it had to do with attempts to restrict exercising 2A rights by making guns and I think ammo super expensive through imposing taxes and fees.

RSN172

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #67 on: July 31, 2018, 05:52:41 PM »
Remember this Hawaii.  It is run by fools and idiots.
Happily living in Puna

2ahavvaii

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #68 on: July 31, 2018, 06:26:39 PM »
Then in 3 to 5 years from now, you may be allowed to carry in Hawaii.  Knowing this state, they will say the ruling only applies to Hawaii County, issue 6 month permits that cost $500 and just make it as difficult as possible to get a permit.
they will, then see another lawsuit in court.

Thankfully there's a lot of carry permit models that we can point to as reasonable requirements.

As the judge pointed out, the requirements for carry cannot be so difficult as to prevent or discourage a law abiding citizen from exercising their carry rights.  What you just described does exactly that.  And as you say, it'll take another lawsuit in court.

RSN172

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #69 on: July 31, 2018, 06:54:03 PM »
The state doesn’t care.  They will pull all kinds of shenanigans so that it does get tied up in court for years.  We need either Congress or SCOTUS to do something so Hawaii and all the other restrictive states will be FORCED to issue permits.
Happily living in Puna

changemyoil66

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #70 on: July 31, 2018, 06:54:56 PM »
they will, then see another lawsuit in court.

Thankfully there's a lot of carry permit models that we can point to as reasonable requirements.

As the judge pointed out, the requirements for carry cannot be so difficult as to prevent or discourage a law abiding citizen from exercising their carry rights.  What you just described does exactly that.  And as you say, it'll take another lawsuit in court.
Remember whats reasonable to people who know stuff about guns, is different to someone who knows nothing.

Even Nevada didnt ban bump stocks yet.

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TastesLikeMetal

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #71 on: August 08, 2018, 10:08:55 PM »

Mr. Farknocker

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2018, 11:48:05 AM »
A nice synopsis of the courts analysis.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #73 on: August 16, 2018, 12:17:26 PM »
A nice synopsis of the courts analysis.


Only 8 days after the post ahead of yours.  Good job!   :thumbsup:

 :D :D
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #74 on: August 16, 2018, 12:44:31 PM »
I hope they post the video online again.  I wonder if the state will still look stupid.

London808

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2018, 12:46:17 PM »
I hope they post the video online again.  I wonder if the state will still look stupid.

It was the big island lawyer not state.

That being said :

The State of Hawaii just retained the former Solicitor General of the United States Neal Katyal to defend its carry law and they have petitioned the court to take over from the BI
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

changemyoil66

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2018, 12:49:25 PM »
Since he's for the constitution all of a sudden, then why would he argue against the 2a?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-09/neal-katyal-runs-a-legal-swat-team-to-combat-president-trump

I guess since we dropped our Travel Ban suit, he has more free time?

TastesLikeMetal

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #77 on: August 17, 2018, 09:00:38 PM »
Only 8 days after the post ahead of yours.  Good job!   :thumbsup:

 :D :D
Posted this more to show that it's National attention is snowballing, sorry if it's 8 days late... ::)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #78 on: August 17, 2018, 09:58:57 PM »
Posted this more to show that it's National attention is snowballing, sorry if it's 8 days late... ::)

I was picking on Mr. Farknocker.  Your video was posted 8 days before he posted the same thing.

 :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Appeals court panel rules in favor of open carry in Hawaii
« Reply #79 on: August 19, 2018, 11:22:09 PM »
It's possible he blocked the other guy and can't see his posts.
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