So wondering what is the process of registering a 80% Glock? Has anyone here done this in Honolulu? I wave registered a 80% AR-15 They registered it as custom, and I had a valid Long Gun permit. But the Glock being a pistol there is that 2 week waiting period so where do I get it engraved? And how do I go about doing this since legally I will have the pistol? Any help greatly appreciated.

So wondering what is the process of registering a 80% Glock? Has anyone here done this in Honolulu? I wave registered a 80% AR-15 They registered it as custom, and I had a valid Long Gun permit. But the Glock being a pistol there is that 2 week waiting period so where do I get it engraved? And how do I go about doing this since legally I will have the pistol? Any help greatly appreciated.

No permit.  No 2-week wait.  Just registration.

The 2-week wait is for a Permit to Acquire. Since there won't be a transfer of the pistol, it'll be similar to registering an out-of-state pistol you bring to Hawaii. 

Just worry about the registration, similar to the 80% AR-15. 

If you bring your long gun permit when you register the Glock, it'll make HPD happier.   

Mahalo, Just also wondering and forgot. Does it require the Hunters Ed Card or NRA Pistol training course card? I have one just wondering, its been awhile since I have gotten a pistol.

Mahalo, Just also wondering and forgot. Does it require the Hunters Ed Card or NRA Pistol training course card? I have one just wondering, its been awhile since I have gotten a pistol.

If you already have the pistol legally, and no permit to acquire is needed, then the pistol training should also be unnecessary.

I don't think anyone asked me for a training affidavit when I registered my C&R pistol.  Anyone who travels to HI and brings a firearm has to register, but they won't have the affidavit/hunter's ed.

Have it with you in case they ask, but my gut tells me "Not needed."

So wondering what is the process of registering a 80% Glock? Has anyone here done this in Honolulu? I wave registered a 80% AR-15 They registered it as custom, and I had a valid Long Gun permit. But the Glock being a pistol there is that 2 week waiting period so where do I get it engraved? And how do I go about doing this since legally I will have the pistol? Any help greatly appreciated.

found this tread in a search, and its the exact question i have.
have you registered your 80% glock yet? if so, did you need your hunters ed?

thanks

No need hunters ed. Just take the frame and register it with your long gun permit. Super easy

So wondering what is the process of registering a 80% Glock? Has anyone here done this in Honolulu? I wave registered a 80% AR-15 They registered it as custom, and I had a valid Long Gun permit. But the Glock being a pistol there is that 2 week waiting period so where do I get it engraved? And how do I go about doing this since legally I will have the pistol? Any help greatly appreciated.

Do not get confused...the process is NOT the same as for an 80% AR.  This is not pre 1992 when a long gun permit was "good enough" to acquire and register a handgun.

The correct process for any 80% pistols is:

1) Obtain a permit to acquire (handgun), It doesn't matter what serial number you put on the application, just put some thought into it.

2) Wait 2 weeks.

3) Pick up your permit to acquire. With this "permission slip" you can start building.  I recommend serializing the receiver as your first step and make sure it matches what you put on your application. At this point you can skip directly to 5.*

4) Build your pistol. Your permit to acquire is only good for 10 days so be sure you complete and register before that.

5) Register.

I've built several and that's the straightforward simple process for legally completing a 80% pistol build in Hawaii.  You need a handgun permit to acquire and wait the 14 days before doing anything. Folks can quibble over what to do and when, but the law is pretty clear...it all starts with the permit.  Until you have that, the 80% receiver must remain untouched by any tool.

* You can register the serialized 80% receiver.  If you have experience or are confident in your ability, you can save time by engraving the serial number, and registering the same day after picking up the permit to acquire. But whether you want to skip to #5 is up to you. Personally I don't and l use some of that time, because I've had 3 unusable due to bad batch poly and 1 lost to a walking drill bit. And as we all know you can't "un-register".

Do not get confused...the process is NOT the same as for an 80% AR.  This is not pre 1992 when a long gun permit was "good enough" to acquire and register a handgun.

The correct process for any 80% pistols is:

1) Obtain a permit to acquire (handgun), It doesn't matter what serial number you put on the application, just put some thought into it.

2) Wait 2 weeks.

3) Pick up your permit to acquire. With this "permission slip" you can start building.  I recommend serializing the receiver as your first step and make sure it matches what you put on your application. At this point you can skip directly to 5.*

4) Build your pistol. Your permit to acquire is only good for 10 days so be sure you complete and register before that.

5) Register.

I've built several and that's the straightforward simple process for legally completing a 80% pistol build in Hawaii.  You need a handgun permit to acquire and wait the 14 days before doing anything. Folks can quibble over what to do and when, but the law is pretty clear...it all starts with the permit.  Until you have that, the 80% receiver must remain untouched by any tool.

* You can register the serialized 80% receiver.  If you have experience or are confident in your ability, you can save time by engraving the serial number, and registering the same day after picking up the permit to acquire. But whether you want to skip to #5 is up to you. Personally I don't and l use some of that time, because I've had 3 unusable due to bad batch poly and 1 lost to a walking drill bit. And as we all know you can't "un-register".

Why a permit to acquire? You're not purchasing, trading or bartering for a pre-built handgun. You ARE the manufacturer. Nowhere in HRS 134 does it mention 80% must have a permit to build. It's the same as bringing in from out of state. Once you make it an 81% you have to take and register.

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Why a permit to acquire? You're not purchasing, trading or bartering for a pre-built handgun. You ARE the manufacturer. Nowhere in HRS 134 does it mention 80% must have a permit to build. It's the same as bringing in from out of state. Once you make it an 81% you have to take and register.

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Why a permit to acquire?

HRS 134-2 (a)
No person shall acquire the ownership of a firearm, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, registered under prior law or by a prior owner or unregistered, either by purchase, gift, inheritance, bequest, or in any other manner, whether procured in the State or imported by mail, express, freight, or otherwise, until the person has first procured from the chief of police of the county of the person's place of business or, if there is no place of business, the person's residence or, if there is neither place of business nor residence, the person's place of sojourn, a permit to acquire the ownership of a firearm as prescribed in this section.  When title to any firearm is acquired by inheritance or bequest, the foregoing permit shall be obtained before taking possession of a firearm; provided that upon presentation of a copy of the death certificate of the owner making the bequest, any heir or legatee may transfer the inherited or bequested firearm directly to a dealer licensed under section 134-31 or licensed by the United States Department of Justice without complying with the requirements of this section.

It doesn't matter if you're the manufacturer. HRS doesn't have to mention 80% or permit to build. None of that is relevant, because it is clear that one can not acquire/own/possess a firearm (in any manner) without first getting a permit to acquire.

Why a permit to acquire?

HRS 134-2 (a)
No person shall acquire the ownership of a firearm, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, registered under prior law or by a prior owner or unregistered, either by purchase, gift, inheritance, bequest, or in any other manner, whether procured in the State or imported by mail, express, freight, or otherwise, until the person has first procured from the chief of police of the county of the person's place of business or, if there is no place of business, the person's residence or, if there is neither place of business nor residence, the person's place of sojourn, a permit to acquire the ownership of a firearm as prescribed in this section.  When title to any firearm is acquired by inheritance or bequest, the foregoing permit shall be obtained before taking possession of a firearm; provided that upon presentation of a copy of the death certificate of the owner making the bequest, any heir or legatee may transfer the inherited or bequested firearm directly to a dealer licensed under section 134-31 or licensed by the United States Department of Justice without complying with the requirements of this section.

It doesn't matter if you're the manufacturer. HRS doesn't have to mention 80% or permit to build. None of that is relevant, because it is clear that one can not acquire/own/possess a firearm (in any manner) without first getting a permit to acquire.

When you buy (acquire ownership of) an 80% receiver, it's not restricted as a firearm.  No permit or registration is required if it's at the 80% phase.

Therefore, when you complete the pistol, you already own it.  Just like when you own a pistol you bring into the state you purchased elsewhere.

There should be no permit process required based on the law.

"No person shall acquire the ownership of a firearm..." seems straightforward.  When you acquired ownership, it was not a firearm.  Once you make it a firearm, there is no transfer or acquisition process.

Acquire and manufacture have completely and different legal meanings.

Acquire - purchase or obtain from others a product in a completed state

Manufacture - create from raw materials

So until the law is revised to list manufacture as a means of "acquisition", build away sans permit process. Just make sure you register it per HRS134 once you start the build.

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Acquire and manufacture have completely and different legal meanings.

Acquire - purchase or obtain from others a product in a completed state

Manufacture - create from raw materials

So until the law is revised to list manufacture as a means of "acquisition", build away sans permit process. Just make sure you register it per HRS134 once you start the build.

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That's my understanding.  I'm sure HPD has no problem if you want to apply for a permit for a non-firearm (80%).  I just can't see them requiring one (yes, I know they make up stuff as they go sometimes).

For what it's worth, there are exceptions to the Permit to Acquire rules:  Out of State firearms registration is one. Also, a handgun purchased with a C&R FFL doesn't need a permit or handgun training affidavit/hunter's ed certificate.

When you buy (acquire ownership of) an 80% receiver, it's not restricted as a firearm.  No permit or registration is required if it's at the 80% phase.

I made no mention of a permit or registration being required at the 80% phase. At 80%, the ATF has made it clear that that it is considered a "receiver blank" and NOT a firearm. Own as many 80% blanks as you want, but if one is going to do it according to the law, you need a permit to acquire before doing any work on it.

Therefore, when you complete the pistol, you already own it.  Just like when you own a pistol you bring into the state you purchased elsewhere.

No, with the exception of owning it, this is incorrect. The removal of any material from an 80% blank changes the "stage of manufacture" and it's classification. It doesn't matter if it's only 80.001% complete, you're going from owning a blank to owning a firearm ("whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable"). 

As for it being like when you "..bring it into the state..."? Unless you want to take it out of state, build it and register it when you return...that's irrelevant to the discussion of an 80% build (handgun) in Hawaii.

There should be no permit process required based on the law.

A permit to acquire is required for any firearm. All the bold/underlined/colored text should have made that clear.

"No person shall acquire the ownership of a firearm..." seems straightforward.  When you acquired ownership, it was not a firearm.  Once you make it a firearm, there is no transfer or acquisition process.

HRS 134-2 is straightforward, that is, until people start redefining it to suit an incorrect idea.  I'll quote it again with the pertinent words in red:

No person shall acquire the ownership of a firearm, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, registered under prior law or by a prior owner or unregistered, either by purchase, gift, inheritance, bequest, or in any other manner, whether procured in the State or imported by mail, express, freight, or otherwise, until the person has first procured from the chief of police of the county of the person's place of business or, if there is no place of business, the person's residence or, if there is neither place of business nor residence, the person's place of sojourn, a permit to acquire the ownership of a firearm as prescribed in this section.  When title to any firearm is acquired by inheritance or bequest, the foregoing permit shall be obtained before taking possession of a firearm; provided that upon presentation of a copy of the death certificate of the owner making the bequest, any heir or legatee may transfer the inherited or bequested firearm directly to a dealer licensed under section 134-31 or licensed by the United States Department of Justice without complying with the requirements of this section.

Acquire and manufacture have completely and different legal meanings.

Acquire - purchase or obtain from others a product in a completed state

Manufacture - create from raw materials

So until the law is revised to list manufacture as a means of "acquisition", build away sans permit process. Just make sure you register it per HRS134 once you start the build.

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I get that you're paraphrasing, but with legal definitions...it is important to be specific and detailed as to how it may be applied.
"Acquire" - to purchase or gain possession/ownership/control of property. (product or state of completion are neither relevant or mentioned)
"Manufacture" - To create by human hand or processed under human skill. (nothing about "raw material")

The law does NOT have to be revised. Everything applicable to the topic of this discussion is already written. If you read the previous post, you should see it. Focusing the hows and whys of whether it was purchased, gifted, inherited, manufactured or if there is transfer of ownership, etc, completely ignores what HRS 134-2(a) says. Here is the super simplified version:  Before anyone in the State of Hawaii can acquire (possesss/own/control) a firearm, they need to FIRST obtain a permit to acquire.

I know what's next...."But, but 134 doesn't specifically say MANUFACTURE!"

The inclusion of "in any other manner" and "or otherwise" should be understood as not limited to only what is listed.

So one last time:
A) HRS 134-2 says you need a permit to acquire to take possession (to have, to own, to control) of a firearm.
B) Any process greater than 80% is a firearm.

Unless either of the above are in question. A permit to acquire is required.


You guys can go on to debate definitions or offer opinion...I'm sharing my experience, knowledge, and education on this matter.  Somewhere down the line someone might be looking for this information and muddying the topic doesn't help. The law is what it is:  You need "A" before you do "B". It's clear and is all that matters if you want to do things legally. People are free to choose to do it as I explained and have done many times or they can risk arguing semantics before a judge and becoming a case note.

You guys can go on to debate definitions or offer opinion...I'm sharing my experience, knowledge, and education on this matter.  Somewhere down the line someone might be looking for this information and muddying the topic doesn't help. The law is what it is:  You need "A" before you do "B". It's clear and is all that matters if you want to do things legally. People are free to choose to do it as I explained and have done many times or they can risk arguing semantics before a judge and becoming a case note.

Yes we can agree to disagree. No harm no foul.

I do have a question regarding your experience, knowledge and education. I'm not questioning that you have it, I am questioning where you obtained it. Do you have insider knowledge of HPD rules and regulations? If so, please pass on said knowledge so we may all gain, and help our community. The same can be said of any legislative board you may be party to.

Mahalo

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I can understand colt808 interpretation of the laws. But I can tell you from firsthand experience building and successfully registering a polymer80 pistol frame here in Honolulu, that HPD does not follow the rules you said.

All you need to have is a long gun permit to acquire and take your completed and serialized poly80 frame down to Hpd and tell them you want to register it. They will do it on  the spot and you will be good to go.

When I went to register my poly80 frame they told me they register all of them using a long gun permit to acquire. They told me you can’t even apply for a permit to acquire when it is still an 80% untouched, because technically it isn’t a firearm yet, it is just a paperweight.

When I went to register my poly80 frame they told me they register all of them using a long gun permit to acquire. They told me you can’t even apply for a permit to acquire when it is still an 80% untouched, because technically it isn’t a firearm yet, it is just a paperweight.

Exactly. 

Like I posted, there are exceptions to the Permit to Acquire rules.

I needed a long gun permit to register my C&R pistol, but no pistol permit, no waiting period, and no training.

And just for everyone’s information, I had a friend of mine who is HPD inquire directly with the firearms division, before I started building, just to be sure I was doing it the right way according to HPD’s interpretation of the rules before I started building.

When I went to register my poly80 frame they told me they register all of them using a long gun permit to acquire. They told me you can’t even apply for a permit to acquire when it is still an 80% untouched, because technically it isn’t a firearm yet, it is just a paperweight.

So when you registered your firearm was it completely built?  Or 81%?