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changemyoil66

Mag Drop
« on: July 28, 2018, 03:23:30 PM »
« Last Edit: July 29, 2018, 10:53:52 AM by changemyoil66 »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2018, 07:56:08 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on July 28, 2018, 03:23:30 PM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1497514877217744/permalink/1939594323009795/

10 second mark.

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Closed group.  Can't see anything there without joining.   :wacko:
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Bushido

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2018, 08:20:55 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on July 28, 2018, 07:56:08 PM
Closed group.  Can't see anything there without joining.   :wacko:

The heat, sun and dehydration today was rough on him.  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc:
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changemyoil66

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2018, 10:54:18 AM »
Fixed.

Super lobster now.

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macsak

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2018, 11:04:47 AM »
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macsak

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2018, 11:05:45 AM »
Quote from: macsak on July 29, 2018, 11:04:47 AM
lol
no focus

i lke how they casually approach the doors, and then stack up behind cover and concealment
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changemyoil66

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2018, 11:56:38 AM »
Quote from: macsak on July 29, 2018, 11:04:47 AM
lol
no focus
Heads

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Bushido

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2018, 08:11:16 PM »
Chit happens usually at the worse time. Why did he stop and hold up the whole entry team to recover the mag. He should have had more on him. No? The last guy could have recovered it.
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macsak

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2018, 09:05:26 PM »
Quote from: Bushido on July 29, 2018, 08:11:16 PM
Chit happens usually at the worse time. Why did he stop and hold up the whole entry team to recover the mag. He should have had more on him. No? The last guy could have recovered it.

he didn't recover mag, guy further back picked it up
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changemyoil66

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2018, 10:01:55 PM »
Could we assume that since the mag wasnt seated right (fell out), when he pulled the charging handle, no round was chambered. So he had an empty rifle?

I wonder if anyone shouted stuff like "bill, ur mag fell out. U empty. Reload".

Robbery video showed about 8 guys rushing the jewlrey store.

Man in there with his family, shielded them until they could flee the store. He got a huge set on him.

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oldfart

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2018, 10:26:43 PM »
Happened to me in a shooting match.
Seen it happen to other guys several times.

Usually caused by extended or larger size mag release button.
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changemyoil66

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2018, 09:00:53 AM »
Quote from: oldfart on July 29, 2018, 10:26:43 PM
Happened to me in a shooting match.
Seen it happen to other guys several times.

Usually caused by extended or larger size mag release button.

When I saw the vid, I immediately thought about the movie Mars Attacks.

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macsak

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2018, 09:19:37 AM »
Quote from: oldfart on July 29, 2018, 10:26:43 PM
Happened to me in a shooting match.
Seen it happen to other guys several times.

Usually caused by extended or larger size mag release button.


or not seating mag fully and checking it...
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drck1000

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2018, 09:45:54 AM »
Quote from: macsak on July 30, 2018, 09:19:37 AM

or not seating mag fully and checking it...
For handguns, I've seen folks who make their own holsters, the holster body can hit the mag release if they are not careful.

For long guns, a deliberate load procedure would have prevented.  I am in the habit of doing press checks, but a simple "seat and pull" for the mag should have prevented that.  I've noticed that mag seating problems tend to happen more when loading full mags on closed bolts. 
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macsak

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2018, 10:03:51 AM »
Quote from: drck1000 on July 30, 2018, 09:45:54 AM
For handguns, I've seen folks who make their own holsters, the holster body can hit the mag release if they are not careful.

For long guns, a deliberate load procedure would have prevented.  I am in the habit of doing press checks, but a simple "seat and pull" for the mag should have prevented that.  I've noticed that mag seating problems tend to happen more when loading full mags on closed bolts.


we stress press checks and pulling on mag every pistol and rifle skill builder
most months, we still have a mag fall out..
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oldfart

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2018, 10:10:15 AM »
Quote from: macsak on July 30, 2018, 09:19:37 AM

or not seating mag fully and checking it...
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Yeah that too.

Now that I think about it, that's  what happened to me at the match.
The problem was that I was practicing with a new gun at The bullseye range where only 5 rounds are allowed.
So when I got out to the action bay for the first time with that pistol, I loaded the mags up to full capacity.
When the mag is full it takes a lot more effort to lock in.

At home, the extended mag release activated when I put the pistol in my quick access safe box.
Needless to say, I do not do that any more.
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drck1000

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2018, 10:12:47 AM »
Quote from: macsak on July 30, 2018, 10:03:51 AM

we stress press checks and pulling on mag every pistol and rifle skill builder
most months, we still have a mag fall out..
I've been in classes where folks who have been through many training classes (this one was actually a Fed LEO) still make that mistake.  This was actually a failure to chamber a round and went "click" on first round in a timed challenge.  Not once, but twice.  He went for a run after the second time.   ;D

I think folks get so focused on other things and forget the basics of stuff like loading, trigger control, etc.  I guess why you often seen even veteran competition guys DQ or do potentially unsafe things from time to time as their mind seems to get sucked into the task at hand (shooting) and they forget other stuff.  For me, also stresses the importance of drilling those basics to be performed with "unconscious competence" (as a wise instructor says) so that you can focus on the truly "important" tasks. 

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shdws

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2018, 10:41:08 AM »

Quote from: macsak on July 30, 2018, 09:19:37 AM

or not seating mag fully and checking it...
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Yeah that too.

Now that I think about it, that's  what happened to me at the match.
The problem was that I was practicing with a new gun at The bullseye range where only 5 rounds are allowed.
So when I got out to the action bay for the first time with that pistol, I loaded the mags up to full capacity.
When the mag is full it takes a lot more effort to lock in.
Yea, I keep my ready AR mags loaded to 28 or 29 as trying to put the mag into the gun with 30 and a closed bolt requires you to firmly bang on the bottom of the mag and then rip at it to see if its in there good or not.  In a stressful situation, it would be very easy to overlook that without training past it. 

I really dont like that 5 round limit at all - I just dont like limitations in general maybe, but often times you wont have problems with a magazine until the thing is fully loaded to capacity and down-loading the mag is one way to hide/avoid functioning issues.  I'd rather have my problems at the range with a full mag than at home with a full mag when it counts.
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drck1000

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2018, 11:59:19 AM »
Quote from: shdws on July 30, 2018, 10:41:08 AM
Yea, I keep my ready AR mags loaded to 28 or 29 as trying to put the mag into the gun with 30 and a closed bolt requires you to firmly bang on the bottom of the mag and then rip at it to see if its in there good or not.  In a stressful situation, it would be very easy to overlook that without training past it. 

I really dont like that 5 round limit at all - I just dont like limitations in general maybe, but often times you wont have problems with a magazine until the thing is fully loaded to capacity and down-loading the mag is one way to hide/avoid functioning issues.  I'd rather have my problems at the range with a full mag than at home with a full mag when it counts.
I too have encountered the hiding/avoiding issues thing.  New PPQ in competition for first time, so first time loading up to 10 rounds.  Have a bunch of mags that I used with an older PPQ and training that didn't have an issue, but this new one came with standard cap mags (15 I think) that were blocked to 10.  But with the block, it was near impossible to seat the mag on a closed slide, of course which I had never had a reason to doubt since the factory 10 round mags worked just fine.  Well, midway through the course of fire, can't seat the mag no matter how hard I try.  Luckily that was only for two out of my 6 mags.  I used to usually load with an open slide (or open bolt for AR), so that can hide stuff like that too. 
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changemyoil66

Re: Mag Drop
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2018, 12:37:46 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on July 30, 2018, 11:59:19 AM
I too have encountered the hiding/avoiding issues thing.  New PPQ in competition for first time, so first time loading up to 10 rounds.  Have a bunch of mags that I used with an older PPQ and training that didn't have an issue, but this new one came with standard cap mags (15 I think) that were blocked to 10.  But with the block, it was near impossible to seat the mag on a closed slide, of course which I had never had a reason to doubt since the factory 10 round mags worked just fine.  Well, midway through the course of fire, can't seat the mag no matter how hard I try.  Luckily that was only for two out of my 6 mags.  I used to usually load with an open slide (or open bolt for AR), so that can hide stuff like that too.

My wifes M&P9c is the same.  Normal mag holds 12. But 10rd Hawaii mags hold only 9.  I can put a 10th in , but it wont load with the slide forward.  So no tac-reloads.

These are all 6 of her 10rd mags.  There are vids of people shaving part of the follower, but I don't want to do that, nor do I own a tool to do it.

No problems with the VP9 or P10C.
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