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I think someone watched to much Die Hard II when they were referring to Glocks as undetectable to metal detectors.

Can anyone clarify what a "ghost gun" is?

Isn't the original meaning "no serial number" (untraceable)

But seems like today's definition by politicians are "you can make it at home".  So in their thinking, wouldn't an 80% lower be the same?  Which the ATF ruled as not a firearm. 

I did read somewhere that the machine needed to make such plastic prints cost $250,000.  As in you can't go to Best Buy and buy a 3D printer for $500 and make one.

1) Same as a 80%, so not a firearm?
2) Expensive printer?
3) Still needs real metal gun parts.  Like a barrel, BCG, firing pin, etc....  A plastic barrel would probably break/hurt the shooter.?
4) Couldn't one just use hand tools on a block of same plastic and make a receiver?
5) Have someone else buy  a lower for $75 and scratch off the serial number.  So printing your own cost to much and takes more time?

Can anyone clarify what a "ghost gun" is?

Isn't the original meaning "no serial number" (untraceable)

But seems like today's definition by politicians are "you can make it at home".  So in their thinking, wouldn't an 80% lower be the same?  Which the ATF ruled as not a firearm. 

I did read somewhere that the machine needed to make such plastic prints cost $250,000.  As in you can't go to Best Buy and buy a 3D printer for $500 and make one.

1) Same as a 80%, so not a firearm?
2) Expensive printer?
3) Still needs real metal gun parts.  Like a barrel, BCG, firing pin, etc....  A plastic barrel would probably break/hurt the shooter.?
4) Couldn't one just use hand tools on a block of same plastic and make a receiver?
5) Have someone else buy  a lower for $75 and scratch off the serial number.  So printing your own cost to much and takes more time?

The actual term is a made-up California phrase, exactly the same way "assault weapon" was invented.  They needed to call a class of firearm "something", so they picked a name that invokes negative/scary images.

The real definition is an unserialized gun with no records of manufacture or transfer.  Basically, if a ghost gun is left at a crime scene without prints/DNA, there is almost no way to trace it to anyone.  With the way science is now, it's getting harder to be anonymous. Firing pin and ejection marks on cases compared to cases found elsewhere, rifling on bullets from other crimes/locations, etc. can help narrow the list of potential operators.

A firearm produced by a private individual -- not for sale or trade -- is legal.  That includes all the stuff you mentioned.

Scratching off a serial number doesn't make it a ghost gun. It was tracked by the maker, wholesaler, retailer, NICS and in Hawaii, the police. Removing the serial number makes tracing it harder, but not impossible. And since there is a paper trail on the gun, it's not technically a "ghost".

As for 3D plastic guns people are paranoid that might defeat detection at airports, there is actually a law for this already:  THE UNDETECTABLE FIREARMS ACT of 1988


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undetectable_Firearms_Act

Interesting read on the undetectable gun ban.  Seems like again the law makers made people afraid so they could push some kind of regulation through.  We all know a glock will set off a metal detector. 

But i guess a huge rectangle piece of metal with holes just enough to allow an action to cycle would be by definition also illegal.  Since all you would see is a rectangle piece of metal and no gun shape.

You guys still don't understand what a ghost gun is?
Its capable of firing 3 seconds of 30 caliber mags in half a second
I say again 30 caliber clip in 60 nautical miles per hours, in lineal feet

H.R.1278 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)

Introduced in House (03/01/2017)

Ghost Guns Are Guns Act

This bill amends the federal criminal code to broaden the definition of "firearm" to include any combination of parts designed and intended to be used to convert a device into a firearm and from which a firearm may be readily assembled.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1278

That's a pretty broad definition (not surprising).  I'm guessing the key part is "parts designed and intended to be used". 

Can anyone clarify what a "ghost gun" is?

Isn't the original meaning "no serial number" (untraceable)

But seems like today's definition by politicians are "you can make it at home".  So in their thinking, wouldn't an 80% lower be the same?  Which the ATF ruled as not a firearm. 

I did read somewhere that the machine needed to make such plastic prints cost $250,000.  As in you can't go to Best Buy and buy a 3D printer for $500 and make one.

1) Same as a 80%, so not a firearm?
2) Expensive printer?
3) Still needs real metal gun parts.  Like a barrel, BCG, firing pin, etc....  A plastic barrel would probably break/hurt the shooter.?
4) Couldn't one just use hand tools on a block of same plastic and make a receiver?
5) Have someone else buy  a lower for $75 and scratch off the serial number.  So printing your own cost to much and takes more time?

They seem to be quietly trying to redefine what a firearm is....
ATF Is Classifying .50 Cal Bolt Action AR Uppers As Firearm
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/07/30/breaking-news-atf-is-classifying-50-cal-bolt-action-ar-uppers-as-firearm/

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Cant get vid to post direct.  But if you click on what's able to be clicked, it will take you to the video.

I think someone watched to much Die Hard II when they were referring to Glocks as undetectable to metal detectors.

Lordie loo.... I didn't even need to hear the video, i just read the captions. Really...? Undetectable? So all those metal detectors and xray machines will be completely useless to find an AR-15 variant in someones pants. If that's the truth then lets save millions and just can the entire TSA. 

There's so much hype about 3D printing that people don't know what they are talking about. I've been learning additive mamnufacturing for a few months now. It's more than just sending a file to the printer and printing it like paper. A user has to understand the material, how to troubleshoot a printer (which happens), know how to design a part, analyse the stresses, know why a part failed or just failed to print correctly. The hardest part for a person jumping into this from the ground up is the 3d modeling part. I'm still learning the basics of Solidworks and other design software. There is no standard in files between software.
Like anything else, when people don't understand things there is this initial fear because they don't take the time to fully understand it.

Didn't the Founding Fathers intend for us to 3D print our own weapons to fight the British?

Didn't the Founding Fathers intend for us to 3D print our own weapons to fight the British?

Yup

Sorry can't find a better vid.

NRA Releases Downloadable Blueprints For First 3D-Printed Gun Lobbyists
https://www.theonion.com/nra-releases-downloadable-blueprints-for-first-3d-print-1828010571

Reminds me of the extendo clip memes

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Someone on Twitter asked if we could use 3D printers to create some Liberals who actually have brains.

I said, No, because then they would be Conservatives.

Oxymoron.

Good collection of the fake news being churned out on printed guns.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2018/07/31/pure-ignorance-nets-push-fake-news-about-3d-printed-guns

Does a true plastic gun really work? Have they improved over the years? I hear they're only good for one shot.