Nike: Here hold my beer (Read 24192 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2018, 01:33:14 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2018, 08:42:11 PM »
Executions by police are a real thing

No, no they aren't.

Unjustified shootings do occur sometimes but there is no evidence in any of those cases that it was the intent of the officer to go out and murder the person.

justin1098

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2018, 03:53:03 PM »
This

justin1098

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2018, 03:56:15 PM »
And these

groveler

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2018, 04:08:37 PM »
No, no they aren't.

Unjustified shootings do occur sometimes but there is no evidence in any of those cases that it was the intent of the officer to go out and murder the person.
October 1973. Personal experience.
NOLA cop left his gun on the desk turned his back and said go for it!
His partner with a shotgun was standing just behind me.  I put my hands
up and sat down and shut up.  Cops like to kill and can easily get away with
it,   don't even think they don't.
BTW charges were dropped, what I was arrested for was ruled self defense
by Jim Garrision DA NOLA.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2018, 04:51:39 PM »
October 1973. Personal experience.
NOLA cop left his gun on the desk turned his back and said go for it!
His partner with a shotgun was standing just behind me.  I put my hands
up and sat down and shut up.  Cops like to kill and can easily get away with
it,   don't even think they don't.
BTW charges were dropped, what I was arrested for was ruled self defense
by Jim Garrision DA NOLA.

1973?

Something tells me those Cops are no longer a problem.

 :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2018, 08:52:21 PM »
1973?

Something tells me those Cops are no longer a problem.

 :rofl:
They've got plenty of equally capable replacements. The recent example from a few days ago was the 30-year-old white female Dallas PD officer who (according to her original story) "mistakenly" went to an apartment she thought was her own, but wasn't (wrong floor of the building... i guess she didn't notice the number on the door) and upon the door being answered/opened (her key obviously didn't work and apparently it never occurred to her what the reason for that could be) by the black legal resident occupant (who happened to be an accountant with PriceWaterhouse and a church youth pastor) of the apartment, she killed him with her duty gun.

David Codrea's "War on Guns" blog has examples of rogue cops hurting/killing innocent people, or committing other serious crimes, almost every day. And those are just some of the cases that make the press.

changemyoil66

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2018, 11:21:17 PM »
October 1973. Personal experience.
NOLA cop left his gun on the desk turned his back and said go for it!
His partner with a shotgun was standing just behind me.  I put my hands
up and sat down and shut up.  Cops like to kill and can easily get away with
it,   don't even think they don't.
BTW charges were dropped, what I was arrested for was ruled self defense
by Jim Garrision DA NOLA.
But you didnt get shot. Had u grabbed his gun, then it would have been justified, regardless if he left it on the table.

Had u been shot while just sitting there, then its an unjustified shooting.

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punaperson

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2018, 05:34:31 AM »
But you didnt get shot. Had u grabbed his gun, then it would have been justified, regardless if he left it on the table.

Had u been shot while just sitting there, then its an unjustified shooting.
You seem to have (deliberately?) left out a major part of the story.

"NOLA cop left his gun on the desk turned his back and said go for it!"

Is that taught in the NOLA (or any other) "police academy" as standard operating procedure? It would seem to be an act of deliberate provocation, which if successful, would provide the context for a "justifiable homicide" or at least use of lethal force. Are you asserting that that is appropriate law enforcement procedure?

Rocky

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changemyoil66

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #50 on: September 10, 2018, 10:19:50 AM »
You seem to have (deliberately?) left out a major part of the story.

"NOLA cop left his gun on the desk turned his back and said go for it!"

Is that taught in the NOLA (or any other) "police academy" as standard operating procedure? It would seem to be an act of deliberate provocation, which if successful, would provide the context for a "justifiable homicide" or at least use of lethal force. Are you asserting that that is appropriate law enforcement procedure?

I'm not saying it's appropriate SOP, but the fact that he didn't reach for the gun.  So since he didn't reach for it even if the cops back was turned and he said go for it, no extra (deadly) force was used on him.  So cause and effect.  Compared to an execution where they just round someone up and shoot them.

But I can see where he see's "intent" for the cop to find a reason to shoot him, by letting his gun have access to and his back turned.  But when executions happen, does the person being executed have an option to get out of it like how he did by not reaching for the gun left on the table.

punaperson

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2018, 10:45:36 AM »
I'm not saying it's appropriate SOP, but the fact that he didn't reach for the gun.  So since he didn't reach for it even if the cops back was turned and he said go for it, no extra (deadly) force was used on him.  So cause and effect.  Compared to an execution where they just round someone up and shoot them.

But I can see where he see's "intent" for the cop to find a reason to shoot him, by letting his gun have access to and his back turned.  But when executions happen, does the person being executed have an option to get out of it like how he did by not reaching for the gun left on the table.
"Execution" is a loaded word. It implies lots of things. I'd rather look at all "crimes" committed by cops. Those would include things later ruled, homicide, justifiable homicide, manslaughter, theft, fraud, drug possession and sales, etc. etc. etc. None of those things are "SOP", though a fair and complete investigation by objective sources may justify a "justifiable homicide" or "use of force" incident. I'm not saying "all" or "most" cops are "bad", but certainly it is delusional to think that "all" cops are "good". And we know that cops commit crimes at a higher rate than CCW license holders, yet Doug Chin et al claim that we must uphold Hawaii's gun laws for "public safety". Oh, and speaking of that liar, he claims in his press release re SB2046 that "bump stocks were used to transform a semi-automatic rifle into a fully automatic firearm.". (http://ltgov.hawaii.gov/blog/firearms-bills-become-law/)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2018, 11:03:14 AM »
October 1973. Personal experience.
NOLA cop left his gun on the desk turned his back and said go for it!
His partner with a shotgun was standing just behind me.  I put my hands
up and sat down and shut up.  Cops like to kill and can easily get away with
it,   don't even think they don't.
BTW charges were dropped, what I was arrested for was ruled self defense
by Jim Garrision DA NOLA.

Sure, there are anecdotes, but overall, statistically speaking, it is not a thing.

punaperson

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2018, 01:11:39 PM »
Sure, there are anecdotes, but overall, statistically speaking, it is not a thing.
And about the "good" cops?

Sure, there are anecdotes, but overall, statistically speaking, it is not a thing.

drck1000

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #54 on: September 10, 2018, 02:36:02 PM »
I for one will say without a doubt that there are good cops. I know many personally. Are there bad ones? Yup! I know many of those as well, but in this day and age, there are less and less. I could see in smaller towns and stuff, but not in medium to larger cities. Was just talking about this with friends who include a cop and a former prosecutor. 

I am not saying anyone here is this, but I know many who want to push and test limits. That includes those to want to test and push the law, cops, anything really because they think a free country means they can do whatever they want. That and the “ainokea” attitude make me sick. Yeah, act up if you feel like, but don’t play the victim if you catch cracks back. Just my opinion.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #55 on: September 10, 2018, 07:43:46 PM »
And about the "good" cops?

Sure, there are anecdotes, but overall, statistically speaking, it is not a thing.

We are talking about executions, not good or bad cops.

groveler

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2018, 04:02:13 PM »
And about the "good" cops?

Sure, there are anecdotes, but overall, statistically speaking, it is not a thing.
Puna,
You have a very welcome sublime wit.

groveler

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2018, 04:11:43 PM »
We are talking about executions, not good or bad cops.
I think back in the very old days a man was executed, because he was not
one of the "guys",  his name  was Socrates.  He voluntarily drank poison at the order of the
Democrats,  the "cops" of their society, which to a large degree our society is
based upon.
Cops execute people all the time, by direct aggression, or mostly passive aggression.
That is why you are denied the right to carry a weapon to protect yourself. 
That is passive aggression.


punaperson

Re: Nike: Here hold my beer
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2018, 05:10:04 PM »

Inspector

SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!