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punaperson

Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« on: September 04, 2018, 08:38:12 AM »
I hope everyone will watch the opening of the hearing. Can anyone even begin to imagine what would have happened, both in the room and in the "press" if opponents of Obama's nominees Sotomayor or Kagan had acted even half as disruptive as today with Kavanaugh?

Even Mazie makes some disruptive incoherent mumblings.

Unfuckingbelievable.
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punaperson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2018, 10:20:09 AM »
The first session video is up at C-SPAN. You'll have to move the slide to the actual start of the meeting... at 23:22... you will note the chairman Grassley spoke for exactly 6 seconds (!) before he is interrupted by Kamala Harris and it goes downhill from there... DRAIN THE SWAMP!!!!

https://www.c-span.org/video/?449704-1/brett-kavanaugh-confirmation-hearing-begins-amid-democratic-objections-public-protests&live=
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Drakiir84

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2018, 10:21:45 AM »
A ridiculous waste of time, just take it to a vote out of committee.... nothing is ever discovered or accomplished at these hearings.  Just a fucking circus.
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changemyoil66

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2018, 10:25:47 AM »
Is it possible that Kav can just come back once all the bickering is done?  Seems like it's a waste of his time to just sit there while people speak out of turn.
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punaperson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2018, 11:06:23 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on September 04, 2018, 10:25:47 AM
Is it possible that Kav can just come back once all the bickering is done?  Seems like it's a waste of his time to just sit there while people speak out of turn.
Pretty sure he's required to sit there and listen to as much bullshit as the collectivist social democrats can ooze. I guess the screaming people were somewhat alarming to his daughters, age 10 and 13, and at some point they were taken out of the room by their mother. Something, no doubt, they will always remember... and remember as being so different from what they were likely expecting, at least in degree, as they hoped to see their father (and coach) be vetted by our esteemed United States senators. What a joke. Sad.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2018, 11:21:22 AM by punaperson »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2018, 11:17:52 AM »
The amount of documentation already provided to Democrats on Kavanaugh exceeds 500,000 pages. That's after the document providers pared it down from over 1 million pages requested, by eliminating duplicates and unnecessary pages.

That represents more documentation on a Supreme Court Justice nominee than THE LAST FIVE NOMINEES COMBINED.

Dem Senators in the past made comments that a sitting judge's record of decisions tells them all they need to know about their beliefs and thought processes.  But in Kavanaugh's case, they are scouring every tissue he ever jotted notes on to find a reason to oppose his confirmation.

If they used the same standard as with past justices, the decisions would only be about 160,000 pages.  He's had a very active career on the bench.  His views and judicial leanings are well documented.

This paper chase is nothing more than a delay tactic, as the Dems do whatever they can think of to put off confirmation until after the midterms.  They know they can't block him in the Senate as it stands.  The only chance they have is to wait and see if the balance of power in the Senate shifts their way.

Politics suck. Drain the swamp!!
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2018, 11:21:41 AM »
Follow on:

There are some parts of documents not allowed to be made public.  Those documents were made available to Senators upon request to be read in private.

So far, as of yesterday, only 2 Senators bothered to go read them.

That's not stopping Dems from using the media to accuse GOP Senators and President Trump from "hiding relevant information on Kavanaugh under privacy and executive privilege claims."

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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punaperson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2018, 11:31:30 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on September 04, 2018, 11:21:41 AM
Follow on:

There are some parts of documents not allowed to be made public.  Those documents were made available to Senators upon request to be read in private.

So far, as of yesterday, only 2 Senators bothered to go read them.

That's not stopping Dems from using the media to accuse GOP Senators and President Trump from "hiding relevant information on Kavanaugh under privacy and executive privilege claims."
I thought Grassley gave an excellent and concise answer to their idiotic ravings, including mentioning Obama's use of "executive privilege" to refuse to disclose even the emails of Eric Holder in Fast and Furious. Grassley seems to be intent on maintaining at least his own decorum, which I consider an admirable quality, though perhaps not as effective as some possible other tacks, such as "Shut the fuck up you stupid fucking asshole! You're so fucking dumb and such a liar that only morons could have elected you!" Okay, maybe the calm decorum is best.
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punaperson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2018, 11:47:26 AM »
@SenFeinstein: “If the Supreme Court were to adopt your reasoning I fear the number of victims would continue to grow and citizens would be rendered powerless in enacting sensible gun laws.”

Let's hope so!! The "rendered powerless" part... we all know the first part ("the number of victims would grow") is a lie, or at least not causally related.

video:

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1036994785754730498
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2018, 12:06:04 PM »
Quote from: punaperson on September 04, 2018, 11:47:26 AM
@SenFeinstein: “If the Supreme Court were to adopt your reasoning I fear the number of victims would continue to grow and citizens would be rendered powerless in enacting sensible gun laws.”

Let's hope so!! The "rendered powerless" part... we all know the first part ("the number of victims would grow") is a lie, or at least not causally related.

video:

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1036994785754730498

It's been a whole week since I've heard a Democrat / Liberal tell us what horrible consequence was going to come out of a Trump decision or Tweet.  I just reset my "Days Since Liberal Hysteria" Calendar to "0".
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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oldfart

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2018, 12:11:06 PM »
Quote from: Drakiir84 on September 04, 2018, 10:21:45 AM
A ridiculous waste of time, just take it to a vote out of committee.... nothing is ever discovered or accomplished at these hearings.  Just a fucking circus.
....
100% correct
What a circus. Why does it take so long to remove screaming idiots from the peanut gallery?
If I was working security, I would just taser them and drag'em out by the ankles.
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changemyoil66

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2018, 12:43:05 PM »
Quote from: punaperson on September 04, 2018, 11:06:23 AM
Pretty sure he's required to sit there and listen to as much bullshit as the collectivist social democrats can ooze. I guess the screaming people were somewhat alarming to his daughters, age 10 and 13, and at some point they were taken out of the room by their mother. Something, no doubt, they will always remember... and remember as being so different from what they were likely expecting, at least in degree, as they hoped to see their father (and coach) be vetted by our esteemed United States senators. What a joke. Sad.

He should have trolled them and taken out a news paper (NY Times) and start to read it.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2018, 02:49:52 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on September 04, 2018, 12:43:05 PM
He should have trolled them and taken out a news paper (NY Times) and start to read it.

He's a judge.  He has on-the-job training listening to idiot lawyers make stupid speeches while he pretends to be interested.   :sleeping:
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2018, 02:54:28 PM »
The Democrats demanded over 1 million pages of documents be reproduced and delivered in a month.

After three years, the State Department still hasn't released all of HRC's known emails.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2018, 02:56:50 PM »
If you think this confirmation hearing is bad, wait until Trump's nominee to replace Ginsburg in his next term (assuming she survives this term).
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2018, 03:04:19 PM »
I watched parts this afternoon. There was on part where Grassley asked what point the Ds on the committee had for reviewing and asking questions when they all stated that they oppose Kavanaugh before the hearing started. Grassley also mentioned that the documents had been available for review in a secure facity for a while now and none of the Ds on the committee seemed to be insterested in reviewing as they hadn’t made the effort.

One thing I did notice was the sort of free for all. Not an expert on hearings, but stuff like rules for being recognized and not interrupting.  Ds weren’t following those rules, when they didn’t suit their end goal, but called for following other rules when it fit their wants.

And Hirono... oh man...
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2018, 03:22:42 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on September 04, 2018, 03:04:19 PM
I watched parts this afternoon. There was on part where Grassley asked what point the Ds on the committee had for reviewing and asking questions when they all stated that they oppose Kavanaugh before the hearing started. Grassley also mentioned that the documents had been available for review in a secure facity for a while now and none of the Ds on the committee seemed to be insterested in reviewing as they hadn’t made the effort.

One thing I did notice was the sort of free for all. Not an expert on hearings, but stuff like rules for being recognized and not interrupting.  Ds weren’t following those rules, when they didn’t suit their end goal, but called for following other rules when it fit their wants.

And Hirono... oh man...

The D's did that same rules BS during the Strzok hearing.  Grandstanding, mud slinging and disruption.  All part of the "resistance" playbook.

Same party that 100% voted for Obamacare before they even read it now wants to read everything ever written by or about Kavanaugh before voting "no".

 :wacko:
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Drakiir84

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2018, 03:27:01 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on September 04, 2018, 03:22:42 PM
The D's did that same rules BS during the Strzok hearing.  Grandstanding, mud slinging and disruption.  All part of the "resistance" playbook.

Yup...  A complete waste of time.  Call for the vote and get it over with.  I can't bear to watch this bullshit....
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"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

macsak

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2018, 03:27:24 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on September 04, 2018, 03:04:19 PM
And Hirono... oh man...

that bad?
worse than, "i'm confused..."?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2018, 03:33:41 PM »
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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