Kavanaugh hearing chaos (Read 209920 times)

Inspector

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #380 on: September 27, 2018, 03:37:11 PM »
This article discusses the event when Ford was asked if she knew that the committee offered to come out to CA to interview her. It comes to an interesting conclusion: “Malpractice”

https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/malpractice-appears-fords-attorneys-may-misled-testimony/
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #381 on: September 27, 2018, 03:42:42 PM »
This article discusses the event when Ford was asked if she knew that the committee offered to come out to CA to interview her. It comes to an interesting conclusion: “Malpractice”

https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/malpractice-appears-fords-attorneys-may-misled-testimony/

I was curious about that. She seemed to be very much in the dark about many things her lawyers should have discussed with her.

I'm convinced more now than ever that her lawyers are not "her" lawyers. I think they are all part of a Democrat resistance effort, and Ford was used because she had really convinced herself Kavanaugh was going to assault her.

Her imagination is really amazing. How does anyone get from "he's covering my mouth" to "I was thinking he might accidentally kill me?"  Not a rational, reasonable thought progression.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #382 on: September 27, 2018, 03:51:47 PM »
I was curious about that. She seemed to be very much in the dark about many things her lawyers should have discussed with her.

I'm convinced more now than ever that her lawyers are not "her" lawyers. I think they are all part of a Democrat resistance effort, and Ford was used because she had really convinced herself Kavanaugh was going to assault her.

Her imagination is really amazing. How does anyone get from "he's covering my mouth" to "I was thinking he might accidentally kill me?"  Not a rational, reasonable thought progression.
I don’t doubt that this is true either completely or even partially. But anyway you look at it, she was taken aback by it. And her lawyer tried to cover it up by claiming client privilege. Which is ridiculous since it is public knowledge. I thought it was weird that she kept saying that the committee would not agree to come to her.
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drck1000

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #383 on: September 27, 2018, 04:08:34 PM »
Yeah. I brought that part about CBF saying she wasn’t clear about the offer. If her attorneys didn’t advise her or advise her properly? Who knows. Or how could she have NOT been aware of the offers? It was all over the news. I guess I could give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn’t watch coverage.

Then the part about closed session interviews, which the Ds didn’t participate in and I’m glad the Rs pointed that out. That investigations by the committee was done and officially documented. That was the “wop to jaw” part.

Then there’s the redacted records that even the Ds has to acknowledge since it was part of the committee hearing records. Hope people picked up on that. Such BS!

drck1000

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #384 on: September 27, 2018, 04:10:12 PM »
Gonna stop going on FB for a while. Too many, “I stand with cBg because she’s a woman, women need to get ahead in this world, so I’m with her” type stuff. So because she’s making allegations and there have been men in the past that have been proven to have done awful things, you automatically believe CBF. Yeah, that’s super rational...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #385 on: September 27, 2018, 04:25:14 PM »
End result: No direct or circumstantial evidence was offered on behalf of the accuser to corroborate her claims of sexual assault.

Yet, Democrats are still talking as if an "attempted rapist" (that's a thing??) is about to be confirmed to the Supreme Court.

All evidence I've seen has been exculpatory.

If you don't know what that means, don't feel bad.  Others with lots of college degrees have had a tough time with that one today!

Edit:  I just Googled several sites on types of sexual assault (I hope the FBI isn't watching).  Anyway, there is NO CATEGORY for "attempted" for any type of assault, rape or otherwise.

Apparently, only our Democrat Senators can come up with a new label that no one else recognizes for a sexual assailant who never actually completed that assault.  Sure, there are crimes for attempted rape, but that earns the label "rapist."  Without an actual trial to convict him of that charge, calling him an attempted rapist should be viewed as slander.

I hope he sues EVERYBODY that tried to destroy his life.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #386 on: September 27, 2018, 04:35:52 PM »
End result: No direct or circumstantial evidence was offered on behalf of the accuser to corroborate her claims of sexual assault.

Yet, Democrats are still talking as if an "attempted rapist" (that's a thing??) is about to be confirmed to the Supreme Court.

All evidence I've seen has been exculpatory.

If you don't know what that means, don't feel bad.  Others with lots of college degrees have had a tough time with that one today!
Nothing really changed since this started besides Kav and his family being dragged through the mud. People really seem to hve lost their minds. Innocent until proven guilty. People jumping on how Kav didn’t answer questions. Well, he did, in the closed interviews. Well, maybe the Dems would remember that. Oh wait, they refused to participate.

If people don’t see right through this, they are blind. Why are there folks to are so convinced CBF is telling the truth despite not one shred of evidence to support her story? Because she has the courage to come forward? Because she seemed believable?

Then the D Senator brought up the jury warning thing. If a person giving testimony lies, then the rest of their testimony should be considered a lie. Well, what about your fear of flying CBF? Oh wait. I’m only afraid to fly when it’s anything except for work, vacation, etc.

Inspector

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #387 on: September 27, 2018, 06:21:58 PM »
Everyone here will probably blast me but I am going to say this anyway.

I found Ford’s testimony somewhat believable. Yes, there were holes and memory lapses. Believeable in the sense that I believe something happened to her. Whether it was what she says happened, not completely clear. But do I believe it was Kav? No, not at all. I found that there was nothing new in her testimony and there was no corroborating evidence. Which I think is necessary to find Kav guilty of whatever.

Bottom line is I believe some of what she says. But innocent until proven guilty is what we go by. So IMHO he is innocent. Unfortunately, I don’t think this is done by a long shot. The Dems will keep trying IMHO. How many more accusers will there be? Those politicians are evil people. At least Kav stood up for himself and a couple of Reps stood up for him and our country. Those politicians need to be voted out.
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robtmc

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #388 on: September 27, 2018, 07:32:22 PM »
I found Ford’s testimony somewhat believable.
From what I have read about her and her HS yearbook, there were a few drunk party sluts, and she seems to have been one of them.

I am convinced she was "groomed" by the Soros funded types, like the other ones they found.  A bit of research into what school K went to, where they partied, etc.

If anything did happen with Ford, she was clearly wasted and hardly in control of a damn thing, let alone ID'ing who was who.  Probably desperately trying not to vomit all over the place.

The groomers found out about her somehow and got the ball rolling.

robtmc

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #389 on: September 27, 2018, 07:39:51 PM »
Yet, Democrats are still talking as if an "attempted rapist" (that's a thing??) is about to be confirmed to the Supreme Court.
You would have thought the liberals had learned from how Thomas has a very deep enmity for them, that they ran the same risk with Kavanaugh if they did not stop him.

I am fine with pushing another justice to be solidly against them, but making mortal enemies is not a trivial thing.  If confirmed, K will be a very sharp thorn in their side for a long time as he recalls what they did to him.

Clarence Thomas and he ought to have a good time comparing notes.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #390 on: September 27, 2018, 07:53:31 PM »
Nothing really changed since this started besides Kav and his family being dragged through the mud. People really seem to hve lost their minds. Innocent until proven guilty. People jumping on how Kav didn’t answer questions. Well, he did, in the closed interviews. Well, maybe the Dems would remember that. Oh wait, they refused to participate.

If people don’t see right through this, they are blind. Why are there folks to are so convinced CBF is telling the truth despite not one shred of evidence to support her story? Because she has the courage to come forward? Because she seemed believable?

Then the D Senator brought up the jury warning thing. If a person giving testimony lies, then the rest of their testimony should be considered a lie. Well, what about your fear of flying CBF? Oh wait. I’m only afraid to fly when it’s anything except for work, vacation, etc.

There are lots of people who credibly believed they were in a romantic relationship with a celebrity.  They 100% believed it to be so.

I don't put anything past the human mind.  We can convince ourselves anything is true.  After 3 decades, we have no idea what could have caused her to "remember" someone assaulted her at age 15.  Was she creating an event to make herself important by interjecting herself into a federal judge's life?  Was she a country club debutante who now has to imagine she's still important to important people?  There is no telling what she's convinced herself to believe or why.

If he's telling the truth, she's either lying, was attacked by someone she today mistakenly believes was Kavanaugh, or she totally believes a fantasy.  Doesn't matter now. She has produced nothing other than accusations and a list of "witnesses" who corroborate his story and not hers.

She should have come forward years ago.  Maybe 6 years ago when she first told her therapist would be a good time.  If she's going to start telling people, maybe telling people who matter would be wise.  Doesn't matter that he wasn't being confirmed for SCOTUS.  He was already on the next court below.  That should have been no less urgent than this nomination.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #391 on: September 27, 2018, 08:28:30 PM »
I still suspect she was a foil to implant meories into.  The leftists have gotten good at spotting patsies to take falls.  They bought all the time they could to properly "prep" her.

I remember hearing all about the McMartin daycare molestation farce, and how the adult creeps planted memories in innocent children.

I suspect such manipulators got hold of Ford and "embellished" her hazy memories of "something". 

She likely made herself available being a staunch anti-Trump type.  Who knows what sort of "casting calls" were out there.

GlockNewb

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #392 on: September 27, 2018, 08:31:42 PM »
Nothing really changed since this started besides Kav and his family being dragged through the mud.

If people don’t see right through this, they are blind.


Exactly - investigatively the facts (i.e. none) have stayed the same, still at he said/she said. The scary part is that the party supporters have become even more entrenched in their camp, CBF or Kavanaugh. And the Ds are emboldening their base more than Rs - at least that’s what social media interactions are telling me.
And a D-controlled legislature come November is looking more and more likely every day this drags out.
"Fast is slow, slow is smooth, smooth is fast."

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #393 on: September 27, 2018, 08:33:01 PM »
I still suspect she was a foil to implant meories into.  The leftists have gotten good at spotting patsies to take falls.  They bought all the time they could to properly "prep" her.

I remember hearing all about the McMartin daycare molestation farce, and how the adult creeps planted memories in innocent children.

I suspect such manipulators got hold of Ford and "embellished" her hazy memories of "something". 

She likely made herself available being a staunch anti-Trump type.  Who knows what sort of "casting calls" were out there.

The Democrats have been transparent in their "Resist and Impeach" platform. They are obstructing Trump for no other reason than to obstruct.

Now they have this ridiculous position that they are only interested in "getting at the truth" on Kavanaugh.

"Stupid woman.  You knew I was a snake."
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #394 on: September 27, 2018, 09:40:48 PM »
I still suspect she was a foil to implant meories into.  The leftists have gotten good at spotting patsies to take falls.  They bought all the time they could to properly "prep" her.

I remember hearing all about the McMartin daycare molestation farce, and how the adult creeps planted memories in innocent children.

I suspect such manipulators got hold of Ford and "embellished" her hazy memories of "something". 

She likely made herself available being a staunch anti-Trump type.  Who knows what sort of "casting calls" were out there.
Word on the block is the former FBI agent who gives the poly, coaches and ask questions until the right answer can be read. This isnt his 1st rodeo.

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Inspector

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #395 on: September 28, 2018, 06:25:41 AM »
It seems Crazy Mazie and a handful of Dems walked out of the committee meeting this morning when it became clear that the Reps have enough votes to advance Kav to the senate vote.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/36449/democrats-walk-out-kavanaugh-meeting-after-it-james-barrett?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=mjk
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oldfart

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #396 on: September 28, 2018, 06:55:12 AM »
It seems Crazy Mazie and a handful of Dems walked out of the committee meeting this morning when it became clear that the Reps have enough votes to advance Kav to the senate vote.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/36449/democrats-walk-out-kavanaugh-meeting-after-it-james-barrett?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=mjk
...
They're losing the ball game so they're pouting and walking off the field.
These are supposed to be highly respected elected officials.
Great role models for the rest of the world to see.
What, Me Worry?

Inspector

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #397 on: September 28, 2018, 07:42:19 AM »
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They're losing the ball game so they're pouting and walking off the field.
These are supposed to be highly respected elected officials.
Great role models for the rest of the world to see.
Agreed. And now they are delaying the vote. Should have happened 10 minutes ago. Circus run by a bunch of clowns.
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drck1000

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #398 on: September 28, 2018, 07:54:51 AM »
Everyone here will probably blast me but I am going to say this anyway.

I found Ford’s testimony somewhat believable. Yes, there were holes and memory lapses. Believeable in the sense that I believe something happened to her. Whether it was what she says happened, not completely clear. But do I believe it was Kav? No, not at all. I found that there was nothing new in her testimony and there was no corroborating evidence. Which I think is necessary to find Kav guilty of whatever.

Bottom line is I believe some of what she says. But innocent until proven guilty is what we go by. So IMHO he is innocent. Unfortunately, I don’t think this is done by a long shot. The Dems will keep trying IMHO. How many more accusers will there be? Those politicians are evil people. At least Kav stood up for himself and a couple of Reps stood up for him and our country. Those politicians need to be voted out.
Traitor!!!  :grrr:

Nah.  I didn't catch the live feed of CBF's portion of the hearing.  I only caught some of the audio and MSM highlights last night.  Though the highlights are of course subject to cherry picking, bias added, etc.  That said, from that I've seen and heard, it seems like a LOT of folks found her believable.  I'm convinced that she's convinced something happened.  I'm not going to judge, but I am free to speculate.  She's a trained psychologist, she could be a narcissistic psychopath, whatever.  But looking at things logically, the FACTS just aren't adding up.  Too many inconsistencies and  :wtf: stuff that questions her credibility.  But of course, can't jump on those because that would be bullying her.  Much of her backers are because they feel she's being courageous and standing up to the "man machine" that controls America.  All emotional, NOTHING factual.  So she may be convincing.  But Hilter was also VERY convincing. . .

And yes, time for many of the politician to get voted out.   :thumbsup:

drck1000

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #399 on: September 28, 2018, 08:02:40 AM »
There are lots of people who credibly believed they were in a romantic relationship with a celebrity.  They 100% believed it to be so.

I don't put anything past the human mind.  We can convince ourselves anything is true.  After 3 decades, we have no idea what could have caused her to "remember" someone assaulted her at age 15.  Was she creating an event to make herself important by interjecting herself into a federal judge's life?  Was she a country club debutante who now has to imagine she's still important to important people?  There is no telling what she's convinced herself to believe or why.

If he's telling the truth, she's either lying, was attacked by someone she today mistakenly believes was Kavanaugh, or she totally believes a fantasy.  Doesn't matter now. She has produced nothing other than accusations and a list of "witnesses" who corroborate his story and not hers.

She should have come forward years ago.  Maybe 6 years ago when she first told her therapist would be a good time.  If she's going to start telling people, maybe telling people who matter would be wise.  Doesn't matter that he wasn't being confirmed for SCOTUS.  He was already on the next court below.  That should have been no less urgent than this nomination.
No joke. 

My dad's memory wasn't the greatest as he got into his later 70s.  He somehow got it in his mind one day that he owned a Honda generator and that I had borrowed it.  I would go over to his house at least once a week and he NEVER had a Honda generator, but he was absolutely convinced that not only that he owned one, but that I HAD IT!  My sister and BIL eventually went with him to get a Honda generator.  He stopped asking me about whether or not I borrowed his generator after that.