Kavanaugh hearing chaos (Read 209792 times)

punaperson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #520 on: October 02, 2018, 08:17:54 PM »
Yeah. A lie is a lie, but have to look closely at the question that was asked. I didn’t look into it that closely. Plenty of people already doing that.

That’s what I suspected Mitchell was doing. Getting stuff under oath, trying to catch her on something. It’s tough to maintain intricate details of a lie. Probably why those assisting her kept “helping”.
I think this was already posted, maybe even by me... who can keep track of this volume of crap? Anyway, here is Mitchell's memorandum, in which she outlines all the "problems" with Ford's testimony, and Mitchell concludes, based upon the existing evidence and testimony, that no prosecutor would bring a case even under the lower bar "preponderance of evidence" criteria, much less the "beyond a reasonable doubt" criteria.

https://www.scribd.com/embeds/389821761/content#from_embed

eyeeatingfish

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #521 on: October 02, 2018, 09:03:40 PM »
The more I digest the testimony the more I think Kavanaugh shot himself in the foot. Ford has some holes and flags in her testimony as well but not nearly as bad as Kavanaugh.

What worried me about Kavanaugh's testimony:
Going off on a tangent about Trump and Clinton and democrats about political hits. This is not what is generally expected of SCOTUS justices.
Kavanaughs odd testimony about how much he liked beer and that sometimes he drank too much. These statements conflicted somewhat with his initial denials
Kavanaugh's claim that Boofing, deviles triangle, ralph club etc all meant something other than what seems to be a generally understood to mean something else. If it were only one word I could see the existence of an alternate innocent meaning but for all of those terms to just so happen to have innocent meanings as well is hard to believe. That combined with the sentence structure that the terms were used makes it seem Kavanaugh is lying here.  Kavanaugh would have been better off just saying he does not recall what those terms meant.
Kavanaugh's comments to the female senator asking if she had every blacked out drinking. I give him credit that he apologized afterwards though
Kavanaugh's level of anger at the testimony. I am not concluding that his anger means he is lying, rather what bothers me about his anger is that I would expect better demeanor from a SCOTUS justice.
Kavanaugh mischaracterized the statements of the alleged witnesses. He stated that the witnesses denied the accusations when in fact they didn't deny the accusations, only said they don't recall anything like that. Mark Judge stated he had no memory of the alleged incident. Kavanaugh, as a judge, should know better than to mischaracterize evidence (a witness statement).
The calendar thing was odd. I give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he really kept his old calendars but his calendar and what was on it really didn't do anything for his defense. In fact the calendar kind of worked against Kavanaugh.

I am not convinced that Kavanaugh is guilty however he gave a poor performance at the hearing which makes me think, whether guilty or innocent, that maybe he shouldn't be a SCOTUS justice. I don't think there is enough to satisfy a criminal charge against him though.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #522 on: October 02, 2018, 09:08:05 PM »
Based on her testimony, I'd be more inclined to believe SHE blacked out. Can't seem to remember crap, but somehow she remembers being almost attacked.

Her biggest slip in the testimony was when she said she'd not had anything to drink at that party.  Then, when asked when she didn't tell anyone like her parents, she said she knew she'd get in trouble if they knew she was drinking with boys.

Sneaking out behind her parents' backs, drinking with boys, and being more afraid of getting trouble for that than reporting SOMEONE WHO ATTEMPTED TO RAPE HER, AND WHO MIGHT ACCIDENTALLY KILL HER?

Yeah.  She wasn't drinking.   :wacko:

I think it very likely they both blacked out. She has some "memory" though so it begs the question where the memory came from. I think something happened to her but it possible her brain pieced things back together from periods of being blacked out. For example maybe she remembers a guy falling on her and she noticed her bra and clothes were shifted and he brain concludes a possible attempted rape? Not saying that is what happened, just a hypothetical to illustrate.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #523 on: October 02, 2018, 09:16:12 PM »
For those who need an update but can't find the post:

*Ford doesn't remember what year it happened
*Ford doesn't remember where it happened
*Ford doesn't rememeber what month it happened
*For doesn't remember how she got there
*Ford doesn't remember how she got home
*Ford changed her story 3 times on who can verify her story.
       -4 guys in the room
       -2-3 guys in the room
       -Kav in the room and Mike Judge walked in during
       -Both Kav and Judge in the room
*Judge laughing during attack, and when she ran into him at Safeway he had a look of remorse/guilt on his face (Safeway wasn't built until 1986, 4 years later)
*Polygrapher only asked 2 questions and refused to release any video/graphs
*Claims under oath she's a psychologist, but CA has no record of her current or expired license (illegal to call yourself one with no license)
*Claims afraid of flying, but travels for work/education and vacations.  But couldn't make it in time for 1st time date of hearing due to being afraid
*Doesn't know who paid for polygraph and hotel
*No documentation of her marriage consular visit which she claims when she told someone (check, credit card, insurance, cash receipt)
* Claims her best friend was told, best friend has no knowledge

Degrees of separation:
*Her brother used to work for the law firm that paid Fusion GPS (Russia thing)
*Has 8 papers showing abortion drug works (Kav against abortion)
*Own family won't sign a letter showing support
*Family claims she became crazy after Trump was elected (TDS?)
*Supports pink hats
*Deleted FB before sending letter to Feinstein
*Post also on her timeline that someone should accuse Goerstch of sexual harassment when he was nominated
*Reviews online while she was teaching said she's vindictive and not to get on her bad side or she'll make your life hell
*Parents home foreclosed and judge was Kav's mom
*Due to HIPAA, how did the NYT get the marriage consular s "notes"
*Kav was appointed by Bush and it was all over the media.  Where was Ford?

I know that some of the details you posted are not accurate which leads me to question the accuracy of the rest of the details. Some I know to be true, some I know to be false, and the rest I will have to look up.

For starters, Kavanaugh's mother did not foreclose on the home of Ford's parents. The foreclosure was denied by Kavanaugh's mother so Ford's parents got to stay in the home.

I believe Flapp pointed out she did have documentation from the counselor, but who would keep a receipt or insurance claim from 6 years ago?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #524 on: October 02, 2018, 11:00:37 PM »
I know that some of the details you posted are not accurate which leads me to question the accuracy of the rest of the details. Some I know to be true, some I know to be false, and the rest I will have to look up.

For starters, Kavanaugh's mother did not foreclose on the home of Ford's parents. The foreclosure was denied by Kavanaugh's mother so Ford's parents got to stay in the home.

I believe Flapp pointed out she did have documentation from the counselor, but who would keep a receipt or insurance claim from 6 years ago?

Insurance claims paperwork is kept on file by the insurance company.

If she paid by check, the bank has a record.  She probably still has the checkbook register or duplicate check in that stack.  Nowadays, unless you're totally paranoid, most people stopped using checks and opted for making payments electronically, which means we don't cycle through checkbook registers and duplicates as fast.  I'm sure I have 6-year-old duplicate checks in the current checkbook in my safe.

If she paid by credit card, the card company has a record.

If she paid cash, the therapist has a record.

The patient isn't the only party who needs to keep records.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #525 on: October 03, 2018, 06:34:08 AM »
Yeah. A lie is a lie, but have to look closely at the question that was asked. I didn’t look into it that closely. Plenty of people already doing that.

That’s what I suspected Mitchell was doing. Getting stuff under oath, trying to catch her on something. It’s tough to maintain intricate details of a lie. Probably why those assisting her kept “helping”.
It’s almost as if they knew about the ex boyfriend and his willingness to sign the sworn statement before the female prosecutor questioned her.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #526 on: October 03, 2018, 06:35:59 AM »
The news outlets are now reporting that Christine Ballsy Ford’s criminal records were deleted out of the database 3 weeks before she wrote the letter to Feinstein. I think that Feinstein and Ford’s lawyers have some explaining to do.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #527 on: October 03, 2018, 06:39:46 AM »
It is apparent to me that the Dems have abandoned Ford and are now trying to hang their hat on the ice throwing incident.

Also, Corey Booker is now quoted as saying that Kav is disqualified from being SCOTUS and it doesn’t matter if he is guilty of anything or not. To me this is an admission that they know Kav has done nothing wrong. They just want to obstruct.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

punaperson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #528 on: October 03, 2018, 06:41:01 AM »
It’s almost as if they knew about the ex boyfriend and his willingness to sign the sworn statement before the female prosecutor questioned her.
The friend denies it:

On Wednesday, McClean put out a brief statement denying the claim.

“I have NEVER had Christine Blasey Ford, or anybody else, prepare me, or provide any other type of assistance whatsoever in connection with any polygraph exam I have taken at anytime,” McClean said.

* * * * *
And she's a retired "FBI special agent", so we know she's telling the truth.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/10/03/christine-blasey-ford-friend-in-delaware-was-career-fbi-agent-and-likely-together-during-accusation-letter-construct/#more-154865
« Last Edit: October 03, 2018, 06:50:05 AM by punaperson »

Inspector

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #529 on: October 03, 2018, 06:50:30 AM »
The friend denies it:

On Wednesday, McClean put out a brief statement denying the claim.

“I have NEVER had Christine Blasey Ford, or anybody else, prepare me, or provide any other type of assistance whatsoever in connection with any polygraph exam I have taken at anytime,” McClean said.

* * * * *
And she's a retired "FBI special agent", so we know she's telling the truth.
Thanks for letting us know.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

macsak

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #530 on: October 03, 2018, 07:06:41 AM »
The news outlets are now reporting that Christine Ballsy Ford’s criminal records were deleted out of the database 3 weeks before she wrote the letter to Feinstein. I think that Feinstein and Ford’s lawyers have some explaining to do.

criminal records?

drck1000

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #531 on: October 03, 2018, 07:13:34 AM »
I think this was already posted, maybe even by me... who can keep track of this volume of crap? Anyway, here is Mitchell's memorandum, in which she outlines all the "problems" with Ford's testimony, and Mitchell concludes, based upon the existing evidence and testimony, that no prosecutor would bring a case even under the lower bar "preponderance of evidence" criteria, much less the "beyond a reasonable doubt" criteria.

https://www.scribd.com/embeds/389821761/content#from_embed
I think I read another version, but yeah.  Lots of discrepancies.  Like I said, it's tough to keep together intricate details of an elaborate lie.  Hell, it's difficult at times to recall the details of the truth. 

drck1000

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #532 on: October 03, 2018, 07:16:10 AM »
It’s almost as if they knew about the ex boyfriend and his willingness to sign the sworn statement before the female prosecutor questioned her.
I think they knew a lot of information ahead of the hearings.  Sort of "aces in the hole" in anticipation of certain issues/topics for the hearings.  Just my speculation of course.

The friend denies it:

On Wednesday, McClean put out a brief statement denying the claim.

“I have NEVER had Christine Blasey Ford, or anybody else, prepare me, or provide any other type of assistance whatsoever in connection with any polygraph exam I have taken at anytime,” McClean said.

* * * * *
And she's a retired "FBI special agent", so we know she's telling the truth.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/10/03/christine-blasey-ford-friend-in-delaware-was-career-fbi-agent-and-likely-together-during-accusation-letter-construct/#more-154865
More he said, she said.  Of course, #metoo and #womenpower will have everyone believing McClean. . .

drck1000

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #533 on: October 03, 2018, 07:18:27 AM »

Inspector

SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

drck1000

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #535 on: October 03, 2018, 07:31:30 AM »
Here is what I read:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/10/christine-fords-criminal-record-scrubbed-from-database-three-weeks-before-her-letter-to-feinstein/
Ahh.  Maybe if it was for something like extortion or bribery, then  :o

I mean still doesn't look good, of course if it's true.  I always get a laugh of people or websites with "pundit". 

punaperson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #536 on: October 03, 2018, 07:39:34 AM »
I think they knew a lot of information ahead of the hearings.  Sort of "aces in the hole" in anticipation of certain issues/topics for the hearings.  Just my speculation of course.
More he said, she said.  Of course, #metoo and #womenpower will have everyone believing McClean. . .
If people like the weeds, you gotta read the article and comments at the conservative treehouse, cited above.

Ford just happened to be in the location where her best friend "didn't get coached for a lie detector test" FBI lawyer McLean when Ford (who said she didn't get any help) wrote the letter to Feinstein. Ford's father has deep ties to the CIA, and Swetnick worked for him for 12 years. Not that there's anything wrong with that... It's looking more and more like "A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma".

punaperson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #537 on: October 03, 2018, 08:49:15 AM »
I sure hope all the Republican senators follow McConnell's lead here... I have suspicions about at least several of them...

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1047520641727922176

changemyoil66

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #538 on: October 03, 2018, 09:16:07 AM »
Funny how Feinstein wants the FBI instigation classified.  What info could there be that makes this a national security matter?  They're the ones who called for it.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kavanaugh hearing chaos
« Reply #539 on: October 03, 2018, 11:21:03 AM »
Ford's lawyers sent a letter to Grassley saying the documents the Senate committee requested will be delivered when Ford is interviewed by the FBI.  So far, the FBI hasn't requested another interview.  But, her lawyers are trying to force them to, so she can "explain" some of her testimony statements.

Sorry, but the FBI doesn't need to know about Senate committee testimony.  Not their domain.

More delay tactics.

I say hit her with obstruction and contempt charges.  This "control the Senate's process" game by her, her lawyers and certain Democrat Senators has gone on too long.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw