And we now have trained experts in modern human manipulation techniques.  With a political wing that is dedicated to "by any means necessary".

Tin foil, maybe, but the KGB and CIA were perfecting this stuff in the early 60's.

That skill has been honed for generations.  It's called being female.  The skill has an advanced level of "wifey". 

The shooter had an extended mag (illegal in CA)

"Extended" or just the standard 13 round magazine?  AKAIK, there are no .45 Glock extended mags like they make for the smaller calibers. 

Might have had a +1 floorplate on his.  Never heard of such being available though.

I got a friend that lives nearby, go to thousand oaks many times, at least once a year. It's a nice place.

I guess this shooting is distracting people from what's going on in Broward County again.  Trucks showing up with uncounted ballots.  Like Matson trucks full, not just a pick up truck.

why can't you concealed carry in a bar?  I thought (generally) the rule is you cannot drink.  But bar workers, security, police, patrons, etc. can carry if they are sober.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

I've often wondered about the mental health issue subject.  Not to discount folks with PTSD and other conditions that really could use the help.  I just wonder if it's due to generations growing up with too much freedoms as well as a healthcare industry that would rather prescribe drugs than treat and/or address the root issue.  Thinking back to when I was in elementary school, I would say that there was maybe 1 in 30 kids that were on Ritalin or other drugs.  My mom taught 5th & 6th grades, and I recall discussing with her a long time ago that it was rare.  Now, seems like behavioral drugs, ADHD, etc are super common.  Yeah, maybe advances in knowledge about those conditions, but I have to think that many could just be kids being kids and parents not knowing how to address, or not being able to properly discipline them.

Yeah, this is coming from someone who doesn't have kids.  However, I've discussed this many times with my close friends with kids and they mostly agree. 

Was having dinner with one of my best friends and his wife and two kids (2 and 4).  We were discussing the "tough" life their 4 yo daughter was experiencing when a YouTube video took a little longer to load.  Oh the life.  They didn't experience the stuff like listening for the dialing of the modem, listening for the modem response, confirming connection, etc.  I mean times change and usually for the better.  In this case, I wonder if we really have gone backwards in many ways.

Formerly, the third safest city in California.

This is claimed to be a social media post from the murderer just prior to the event, and they also claim he was posting during the event:

In those posts, the individual said he hopes that people call him insane and he mocked those who often offer “thoughts and prayers” after an incident takes place.

In the Facebook posting, the source confirms the writer said, “I hope they call me insane .. wouldn’t that just be a big ball of irony? Yea, I’m insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is ‘hopes and prayers’… or ‘keep you in my thoughts’ .. every time .. and wonder why these keep happening….”

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Interestingly, a mother of one victim, who she claims was at the Vegas mass casualty event, screamed to the media that she didn't want "prayers", she didn't want "thoughts", she wanted "gun control". And I do mean "screamed". She did not elaborate on camera as to exactly what that would be, which is crucial, since California already has almost every known "gun control", including "gun violence restraining orders" where any person, including police officers, who believe the person is a threat to himself of others can ask to have the individual's firearms confiscated. In this case the guy was evaluated by police ("crisis response team") in response to a call, who deemed him NOT a danger to himself or others. The Isla Vista murderer was likewise evaluated by similar law enforcement personnel during a call to his residence and found not a danger and therefore not subject to firearm confiscation. It is well known in the psychology community that there is no reliable evaluation methodology by which an individual can accurately be found to be either a danger or not a danger re future behavior, and thus to err "on the safe side" would mean incarcerating, or at least confiscating the firearms (and cars and machetes and gas cans, etc.?) of tens of thousands of people in order to stop the hundreds who would end up committing/attempting suicide or attempt to murder others. The "easiest" thing, of course, is to simply call for a ban on guns... as if people with evil intent won't get them, like in France at the Bataclan theater, etc.

I also think it partly has to do with previous generations society choosing to institutionalize more "crazy" people.  Nowadays, we simply let them roam the streets, which is an accident waiting to happen (and does happen)

Today, also we simply medicate people  (which may or may not help) and let people with mental disorders roam free.  Kids, whos behavior was previously regarded as high spirited or simply naughty is now diagnosed and they're given brain altering drugs, leading to further problems as an adult.

1) I also think it partly has to do with previous generations society choosing to institutionalize more "crazy" people.  Nowadays, we simply let them roam the streets, which is an accident waiting to happen (and does happen)

2) Today, also we simply medicate people  (which may or may not help) and let people with mental disorders roam free.  Kids, whos behavior was previously regarded as high spirited or simply naughty is now diagnosed and they're given brain altering drugs, leading to further problems as an adult.

why can't you concealed carry in a bar?  I thought (generally) the rule is you cannot drink.  But bar workers, security, police, patrons, etc. can carry if they are sober.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

CA is strict who they issue CCW permits to.  But they do issue them, not like Hawaii that denies all.  I know a guy, who's wife was issued one because shes a vet that makes  house calls.  She often has opioids with her when making these house calls.  So she was granted a CCW permit.

As for the workers, only can speculate that maybe the employer forbade them or the landlord.  Even if they were allowed, does CA have a "places to keep" law which makes it very humbug to carry at work?

From what residents there have told me, it all depends on the county you live in.  Some are very much "shall issue" while others are more "not if we can help it".

I also think it partly has to do with previous generations society choosing to institutionalize more "crazy" people.  Nowadays, we simply let them roam the streets, which is an accident waiting to happen (and does happen)

Today, also we simply medicate people  (which may or may not help) and let people with mental disorders roam free.  Kids, whos behavior was previously regarded as high spirited or simply naughty is now diagnosed and they're given brain altering drugs, leading to further problems as an adult.

Given "changemyoil's" post right below yours, the irony is that it probably was strong gun control that got her kid killed.

Given "changemyoil's" post right below yours, the irony is that it probably was strong gun control that got her kid killed.

I heard a stat the other day: The overall population of the U.S. now compared to 1950s is nearly doubled, while the total number (NOT percentage) of people institutionalized for mental health issues is 10% the number of the 1950s.

That in no way addresses the issue of how to determine which of those people are truly "dangerous" and would thus benefit "public safety" (or their own) were they segregated. Then there's paying for it...
I heard one account that claimed that there were 5 off duty law enforcement officers in the bar and that they all helped and/or protected people but that they were all disarmed, as was required by law. (Off limits for CCW: "Any place that serves alcohol for consumption". I don't know if there might be an exception for off duty law enforcement.)