Shooting at CA bar (Read 25251 times)

robtmc

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2018, 07:33:57 PM »
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/sgm-tactical-glock-21-30-41-45-acp-26-round-extended-magazine.html
I be corrected most certainly.

Never even thought of such a thing.  A 30 wih 10 rounds would be plenty, were I to buy one.  THe added 3 of the 21, may be not worth the added size and weight.

The mondo magazine you posted is abut as much a novelty as a bump stock.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2018, 09:56:17 PM »
I be corrected most certainly.

Never even thought of such a thing.  A 30 wih 10 rounds would be plenty, were I to buy one.  THe added 3 of the 21, may be not worth the added size and weight.

The mondo magazine you posted is abut as much a novelty as a bump stock.

People I've read & heard about owning these mags keep them in their vehicles as a "worst case scenario" reload.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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punaperson

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2018, 07:28:11 AM »
Confirmation from John Lott that the bars in California are "no carry"/"gun free zones". Also a statistical reference to how many of the mass casualty events have taken place in such "gun free zones".

Crime Prevention Research Center’s (CPRC) John R. Lott reported that the Borderline Bar & Grill was a gun-free zone by law. CPRC posted a California Department of Justice Bureau of Firearms form explaining that the state of California prohibits the carrying of firearms “in a place having a primary purpose of dispensing alcoholic beverages for on-site consumption.”

The state-mandated gun-free status of places serving alcoholic beverages to be consumed guaranteed that Ian Long would not have to worry about patrons shooting back once he began his attack.

In this way, the gun-free status of the bar played to his favor, and such gun-free policies have been benefiting criminals for over 60 years. CPRC reports that 97.8 percent of “mass public shootings” from 1950 to 2015 occurred in gun-free zones.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/09/site-of-thousand-oaks-mass-shooting-gun-free-zone/

punaperson

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2018, 08:01:34 AM »

robtmc

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2018, 08:25:18 AM »
People I've read & heard about owning these mags keep them in their vehicles as a "worst case scenario" reload.
I'd be leery of snagging it on something.

jaynick

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2018, 09:09:26 AM »
People I've read & heard about owning these mags keep them in their vehicles as a "worst case scenario" reload.

Or a kriss vector  :thumbsup:

RSN172

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2018, 10:10:44 AM »
I was tempted to buy a 21 rd mag for my Glock 19 when I was in NV last month.  I would use it has my spare mag instead of the 15 rd one at I usually carry there.
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changemyoil66

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2018, 11:11:57 AM »
"Elaine Quijano"

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changemyoil66

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2018, 11:13:06 AM »
So Ashton Kutcher may just have admitted to a felony. "My friend gave me a gun in that very parking lot for my bday. I havent even shot it yet". No FFL used?

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RSN172

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2018, 03:00:28 PM »
So Ashton Kutcher may just have admitted to a felony. "My friend gave me a gun in that very parking lot for my bday. I havent even shot it yet". No FFL used?

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He is a celebrity so it’s ok.
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changemyoil66

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2018, 06:46:29 PM »
Can anyone confirm there was off duty pd in the bar, but due to CAs gun laws, thryre unarmed.

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macsak

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2018, 06:54:50 PM »
Can anyone confirm there was off duty pd in the bar, but due to CAs gun laws, thryre unarmed.

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story I heard was that there were 5, and all unarmed

changemyoil66

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2018, 07:46:43 PM »
story I heard was that there were 5, and all unarmed
I know at 1 of the bars near the vegas shooting there was an unarmed minnasota cop there. A ccw permit holder gave him his gun. The cop watched the door.

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zippz

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2018, 08:11:23 AM »
I heard cops were unarmed too and were patrons.

To prevent something like this in the future, the bar would need 1 or 2 armed plain clothes guards.  That would be pretty expensive for bar owners for the added responsibility and training requirements.  Also far more disciplined than the typical bouncer.

macsak

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2018, 08:49:33 AM »
I heard cops were unarmed too and were patrons.

To prevent something like this in the future, the bar would need 1 or 2 armed plain clothes guards.  That would be pretty expensive for bar owners for the added responsibility and training requirements.  Also far more disciplined than the typical bouncer.

what is a "typical bouncer"?
one of "those people"?

punaperson

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2018, 09:03:22 AM »
I heard cops were unarmed too and were patrons.

To prevent something like this in the future, the bar would need 1 or 2 armed plain clothes guards.  That would be pretty expensive for bar owners for the added responsibility and training requirements.  Also far more disciplined than the typical bouncer.
Or, the "gun-free zone" laws could be repealed and at least give someone in the building a chance to stop an attack. But, sure, making everyplace a "hard target" with armed security would likely have a better outcome, but who is going to pay for all that? "That beer will be $17."

punaperson

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #56 on: November 12, 2018, 09:17:32 AM »
One can only imagine how uninformed the electorate would be were it not for the valiant efforts of journalists who investigate and supply the public with accurate information about firearms and our rights.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2018/11/08/extended-chamber-the-real-culprit-in-the-california-shooting/

Extended Chamber: The Real Culprit In The California Shooting

WTSP.com:

Authorities say Long used a .45-caliber Glock 21 handgun during the attack. The weapon was purchased legally. Investigators say it had an extended chamber to hold more rounds.

Something tells me that an extended chamber would be dangerous.

punaperson

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2018, 10:43:42 AM »
Took the cops a month to finally announce that it was a cop who killed the cop. Wonder how long it will take them to announce how many of the civilian casualties, dead and wounded, were also shot by cops?

California Sheriff’s Sgt. Ron Helus, killed in bar mass shooting, gunned down by friendly fire: authorities

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-sheriffs-sgt-ron-helus-killed-in-bar-shooting-was-killed-by-friendly-fire-authorities

The bullet responsible for killing a Ventura County Sheriff’s sergeant during November's mass shooting at the Borderline Bar & Grill was fired by a California Highway Patrol officer, authorities said Friday.

The CHP officer was not identified but is a 9-year veteran of the force who is on leave.

changemyoil66

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2018, 01:43:58 PM »
I do understand that it takes time to do the ballistics of the head that was found and every barrel that was present at the time of the shooting.  Even if you didn't fire, you will have your barrel run.

But I'm sure they took their time doing so also.

punaperson

Re: Shooting at CA bar
« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2018, 03:05:04 PM »
I do understand that it takes time to do the ballistics of the head that was found and every barrel that was present at the time of the shooting.  Even if you didn't fire, you will have your barrel run.

But I'm sure they took their time doing so also.
I'd guess there's a fairly high probability that they knew what happened immediately following the event. I bet the cop who killed the other knew he shot a cop within seconds. That wouldn't have played well in the immediate aftermath of calling for more gun control, so they let it slide for a month. You think that the cop shooter just took leave yesterday when they announced it? I bet he's been on leave since day 1.