Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point (Read 363 times)

tim808

Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« on: December 02, 2018, 12:33:36 PM »
Could someone point me to any stores in the town or central area that sell 20 rd boxes of cheap Wolf /Tula 5.56 - 223 soft points.  I don’t need a whole case

DCT doesn’t have per website
OGC - likely have, I hope they sell by box.  I’ll call them

One of my friends wants to try pig hunting with me and I’ll be loaning him a rifle.

drck1000

Re: Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2018, 01:25:16 PM »
Last time I saw Tula .223 was at Young Guns.

For .223, there are plenty of choices besides Tula and Wolf. Why limit yourself to those two?

tim808

Re: Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2018, 02:07:34 PM »
I’m part Chinese? (Cheap aka frugal)

I’m thinking that for short ranges < 75yards, the cheap stuff will do for pigs

I could be wrong.  What 5.56/223 is favored for pig hunting and will it make much of a difference at < 75 yards?

I’m planning to use 7.62x39.  The 5.56 is for friends.

Q

Re: Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2018, 04:01:57 PM »
I’m part Chinese? (Cheap aka frugal)

I’m thinking that for short ranges < 75yards, the cheap stuff will do for pigs

I could be wrong.  What 5.56/223 is favored for pig hunting and will it make much of a difference at < 75 yards?

I’m planning to use 7.62x39.  The 5.56 is for friends.

Specific hog hunting rounds are preferred, but lots of guys claim to take hogs with cheap, conventional ammo in these calibers; many claim even with fmj.

Shot placement is key. I'm switching to neck shots, as this provides an almost identical surface area as a broadside/quartering shot at the vitals. most guys ive spoken to over the past 2 weeks utilize neck shots as their primary targets because it drops them instantaneously quite consistently.

I think the emphasis on heart/lung shots is carry-over from bow hunting, as an arrow generally does not have the ability to penetrate and damage other target areas that a bullet can; i.e. the spine with a neck shot. Possible,  but not as successful and consistent as with a bullet.

« Last Edit: December 02, 2018, 04:16:53 PM by Q »

tim808

Re: Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2018, 10:26:05 PM »
Hi Q
Same here, I’ll be trying for behind the ear / neck.

I was watching lonestar Boars and he recommended the neck.

drck1000

Re: Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2018, 08:49:55 AM »
I’m part Chinese? (Cheap aka frugal)

I’m thinking that for short ranges < 75yards, the cheap stuff will do for pigs

I could be wrong.  What 5.56/223 is favored for pig hunting and will it make much of a difference at < 75 yards?

I’m planning to use 7.62x39.  The 5.56 is for friends.
I see.  FWIW, I've shot Tula quite a bit.  The problems I had with the ammo was due to reliable function in my guns, but I was guessing that was more of a lower power ammo vs uppers that were intended for full 5.56 pressure ammo.  If I recall correctly, both the 55 gr and 62 gr versions shot pretty well at 50 and 100 yards. 

I understand the thinking of folks not wanting to spend more $$$ than they had to, but if around $5 more for a box of ammo is the potential difference between a successful hunt and not. . .  I'd offer up some ammo for you, but not sure when I'll be headed to the range again. 

changemyoil66

Re: Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2018, 08:56:58 AM »
I'm not a fan of Wolf steel case. It's so dirty.  30 rds Wolf is like shooting 500 rds brass.  And Wolf had to scrub harder than normal. (Balistol used).  But I had no FTF or FTE issues.  So it's reliable, just dirty.

For Tula steel case, I read reviews from many sites that sell them and many report the base being ripped off and the case stuck in the barrel.  So to me not worth it to save a few dollars.  And since you're not going to use them for range shooting (as in buying a case), might as well buy any other brass type of ammo.  You probably only need 1-2 boxes worth.

tim808

Re: Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2018, 08:10:53 PM »
Drck - thanks for the offer but I’m ok.  I have 60 rounds of commercial 5.56 available (I also have 600 SP bullets but I’m just too lazy to reload)

I hear what your saying about running under powered ammo thru upper tier guns that that were meant to run full powered uppers.  I have 2 bcm uppers and sold off 2 other bcm uppers.  I’ve never ran the cheap stuff thru the bcms

I’ve only ran cheap stuff thru my ak 47 and never had an issue.

The 5.56 for hunting is a PSA.  PSA uppers are generally known for having larger than mil spec gas ports so I hope it runs reliably with the under powered ammo.

Oil66 - thanks for the heads up on the Tula.  Good point about using better ammo since I only need a few boxes instead of a whole case.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2018, 08:25:59 PM by tim808 »

drck1000

Re: Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2018, 07:57:09 AM »
Drck - thanks for the offer but I’m ok.  I have 60 rounds of commercial 5.56 available (I also have 600 SP bullets but I’m just too lazy to reload)

I hear what your saying about running under powered ammo thru upper tier guns that that were meant to run full powered uppers.  I have 2 bcm uppers and sold off 2 other bcm uppers.  I’ve never ran the cheap stuff thru the bcms

I’ve only ran cheap stuff thru my ak 47 and never had an issue.

The 5.56 for hunting is a PSA.  PSA uppers are generally known for having larger than mil spec gas ports so I hope it runs reliably with the under powered ammo.

Oil66 - thanks for the heads up on the Tula.  Good point about using better ammo since I only need a few boxes instead of a whole case.
It's not really about top tier guns.  I have found that Tula hasn't worked that well with many midlength gas guns.  I bought a PSA carbine upper many years back with the intention of testing and shooting with Tula and other underpowered ammo.  The theory was that with the PSA uppers, which were known to be overgassed (like you mentioned), would eat up the cheap Tula.  Then the pricing and availability of Tula went south.  At one point, I couldn't find Tula.  Then when it was in stock, it was the same price as 193.   :(

For AKs, I've also only shot cheap stuff.  In fact, at one of the SSFs, we were having more problems with the brass cased 7.62x39 ammo whereas the steel ran great! 

aieahound

Re: Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2018, 12:03:53 PM »
Text sent.
I think I got a couple boxes of soft point 223 brass cased you can have Tim.
Let me know.

changemyoil66

Re: Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2018, 02:06:26 PM »


For AKs, I've also only shot cheap stuff.  In fact, at one of the SSFs, we were having more problems with the brass cased 7.62x39 ammo whereas the steel ran great!

AK's are built to run on shitty ammo.  The more crappy the ammo is, the better the AK runs.  Like putting premium gas in a Saturn.  Just runs funny.

tim808

Re: Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2018, 08:20:50 PM »
Aieahound - Thanks for the kind offer but my 60 rounds should last a while....my friend is now having second thoughts about going hunting :-)

Drck - I usually help at the SSF but I just take the customer’s orders and collect scrip....or fill mags

Thanks for the heads up on the Tula.   I didn’t know it was that under powered!

308gunner

Re: Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2018, 06:41:01 PM »
I’m part Chinese? (Cheap aka frugal)

I’m thinking that for short ranges < 75yards, the cheap stuff will do for pigs

I could be wrong.  What 5.56/223 is favored for pig hunting and will it make much of a difference at < 75 yards?

I’m planning to use 7.62x39.  The 5.56 is for friends.
Within 75 yards & right conditions l’ll take a head shot.  But then that’s with my .308.   Within 75 yards a head shot with any bullet from 5.56/223 will drop them.

tim808

Re: Wolf / Tula 5.56 or 223 soft point
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2018, 05:49:38 PM »
Good to know!
Tnx 308gunner