How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun? (Read 10076 times)

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rklapp

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2018, 11:58:47 AM »
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RSN172

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2018, 04:40:43 PM »
I like the old days when I bought my first rifle at age 16.  It has a 7mm Mauser from Klein's Sporting Goods for $11.  Mail order to my home by USPS.  No permit, no registration, no background checks.  I already had a .303 Lee Enfield and a 16 gauge shotgun, but those were given to me when I was 15.  I did have to lie by checking the box on the mail order form that I was at least 18 years old. LOL
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WTF?Shane

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2018, 08:31:29 PM »
I did have to lie by checking the box on the mail order form that I was at least 18 years old. LOL

hvybarrels

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2018, 03:09:36 PM »
If it's easy for you to get one it's also easy for a criminal, asshole, psychotic, etc to get one as well. Sorry them's just the facts.

Also the government doesn't do a very good job of picking out which Ralphies are most likely to shoot their eyes out.

The approach I like best is similar to NZ or other European countries where you have to join a "club", but instead of hunting-only club or target-shooting club we would call our clubs Militias to make the progressive 2a re-interpreters STFU.

Every Militia could be more or less exclusive with their memberships, but if one of the members goes on a killing spree then the militia loses their charter and the members have to join up with another group (providing they haven't burned their bridges). More important will be the permanent stain on the honor of the group and former members. This will cause people to evaluate each other very carefully and weed out those who should not be trusted.

But then in exchange for this system we eventually get access to whatever we want/can afford all the way up to belt-fed and possibly beyond, as well as mandatory two extra weeks off our jobs during the year for training purposes so we can hone our skills in a group environment and spend significant amounts of time with people we are supposed to be watching for signs of inappropriate behavior.

I'm sure the insurance companies will have a heyday with this, but it's probably cheaper for the govt to subsidize militia policies than maintain the fiscal nightmare of a the world's most expensive standing army with billions falling through the cracks of a Pentagon that can't even complete an audit
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Inspector

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2018, 03:40:36 PM »
If it's easy for you to get one it's also easy for a criminal, asshole, psychotic, etc to get one as well. Sorry them's just the facts.

Also the government doesn't do a very good job of picking out which Ralphies are most likely to shoot their eyes out.

The approach I like best is similar to NZ or other European countries where you have to join a "club", but instead of hunting-only club or target-shooting club we would call our clubs Militias to make the progressive 2a re-interpreters STFU.

Every Militia could be more or less exclusive with their memberships, but if one of the members goes on a killing spree then the militia loses their charter and the members have to join up with another group (providing they haven't burned their bridges). More important will be the permanent stain on the honor of the group and former members. This will cause people to evaluate each other very carefully and weed out those who should not be trusted.

But then in exchange for this system we eventually get access to whatever we want/can afford all the way up to belt-fed and possibly beyond, as well as mandatory two extra weeks off our jobs during the year for training purposes so we can hone our skills in a group environment and spend significant amounts of time with people we are supposed to be watching for signs of inappropriate behavior.

I'm sure the insurance companies will have a heyday with this, but it's probably cheaper for the govt to subsidize militia policies than maintain the fiscal nightmare of a the world's most expensive standing army with billions falling through the cracks of a Pentagon that can't even complete an audit
Is the law in NZ similar to the UK where all the guns have to be kept in a safe at the club? If so I don’t think I would like that. If not, then maybe okay.
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Inspector

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2018, 03:52:10 PM »
When I lived in SoCal I remember when I was very young being with my father when he bought some guns from a store. There was a local hardware store that carried guns. He walked in picked one out, paid his money and walked out with the gun. He only bought pistols. He bought guns from gun stores as well as gun shows. I remember him meeting people in parking lots and buying guns out of someone’s trunk. He sold guns like that as well.

When I was 18 I started buying my own guns. By that time we had the 2 week waiting period for pistols. Not rifles/shotguns. Eventually, the two week waiting period applied to all guns. Then I remember having to take a gun safety test to get a certificate to buy a gun. It was good for a year. Then I remember having to take a class to get the certification. I stopped buying guns at that time. Eventually, registration took hold.  >:(
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mrgaf

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2018, 04:52:56 PM »
When I lived in SoCal I remember when I was very young being with my father when he bought some guns from a store. There was a local hardware store that carried guns. He walked in picked one out, paid his money and walked out with the gun. He only bought pistols. He bought guns from gun stores as well as gun shows. I remember him meeting people in parking lots and buying guns out of someone’s trunk. He sold guns like that as well.

When I was 18 I started buying my own guns. By that time we had the 2 week waiting period for pistols. Not rifles/shotguns. Eventually, the two week waiting period applied to all guns. Then I remember having to take a gun safety test to get a certificate to buy a gun. It was good for a year. Then I remember having to take a class to get the certification. I stopped buying guns at that time. Eventually, registration took hold.  >:(

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eyeeatingfish

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2018, 08:49:36 PM »
I thought this might be a serious discussion... guess not.

oldfart

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2018, 09:30:10 PM »
There was a time when I would be in favor of zero restrictions.
Sadly, I see and hear about a lot of stupid irresponsible gun handling nowadays.
The internet seems to propagate  stupid gun behavior too.

Like any thing else in this world it just takes a few bad apples.......
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Inspector

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2018, 05:39:33 AM »
There was a time when I would be in favor of zero restrictions.
Sadly, I see and hear about a lot of stupid irresponsible gun handling nowadays.
The internet seems to propagate  stupid gun behavior too.

Like any thing else in this world it just takes a few bad apples.......
If instant background checks actually worked the way they are supposed to I would be in favor of them. If the 2 week waiting period prevented more shootings I would be in favor of them. But sadly, I see data that more victims are shot while waiting for the 2 weeks. If gun registration and other controls actually did work I would be in favor of them.

Like you said, you cannot fix stupid. I just wish we would go back to punishing those who commit crimes appropriately. It won’t stop everyone from doing bad things, but it will reduce it.
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Inspector

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2018, 05:41:03 AM »
And the Gods made love.......
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I didn’t realize how my post sounded until you posted this.
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drck1000

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2018, 08:08:53 AM »
If instant background checks actually worked the way they are supposed to I would be in favor of them. If the 2 week waiting period prevented more shootings I would be in favor of them. But sadly, I see data that more victims are shot while waiting for the 2 weeks. If gun registration and other controls actually did work I would be in favor of them.

Like you said, you cannot fix stupid. I just wish we would go back to punishing those who commit crimes appropriately. It won’t stop everyone from doing bad things, but it will reduce it.
I am actually ok with going through instant background checks, but like you said, I don't really see that measure preventing those who shouldn't have guns from getting them.  Another case of a law/measure only affecting those who follow the law.  I mean I do see the NICS check preventing some folks, but seems like many who get "caught" by that have something that was left uncleared.  That or those generally unaware that they had something that disqualified them.  I wish there were some studies on that, but understand that even if there were, folks would doubt the results, but to me would be interesting. 

For those who are bent on doing harm, they are going to find a way.  Firearm or not.  Nothing new here.  Yeah, there are going to be lawful gun owners who use their firearms for harm.  But I don't see any (or at least most proposed) laws preventing what they think they are.  They are all attempts to "feel" safer.  Even an outright ban on guns won't solve things.

oldfart

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2018, 08:45:48 AM »
The waiting period makes absolutely no sense if you already own a gun of any type.
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punaperson

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2018, 09:19:02 AM »
The waiting period makes absolutely no sense if you already own a gun of any type.
Since when does "makes absolutely no sense" enter into the rationale for infringing laws proposed by the anti-civil rights civilian disarmament advocates?

mrgaf

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2018, 02:07:31 PM »
It should be as easy as driving up to the window at McDonalds and ordering a Big Mac! :rofl:
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eyeeatingfish

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2018, 11:17:35 PM »
The waiting period makes absolutely no sense if you already own a gun of any type.

I say two guns. After all you only have two hands so you can't shoot more than two at once!

groveler

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2018, 01:40:30 PM »
Buying a gun should be no more different than buying a tool
at Lowes or Home depot.
It is a tool.
I've had these tools since age 8.
I've also had slingshots, Bow and arrows, and air rifles.
I've fed my family using these tools.
It is the behavior that needs to be controlled
not the tool.
More accurately it is the politicians that need to
be controlled,  and have a waiting period
as they are the biggest threat to all
of us.

eyeeatingfish

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2018, 10:15:51 PM »
Hawaii should be easier but I think there are places that should be harder too.

macsak

Re: How easy do you think it should be to buy a gun?
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2018, 06:28:00 AM »
I think there are places that should be harder too.

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