Bought many in short periods of time... probably on someones list... whatever...dont care... 

Hmmm.  This thread has activated the hairs on the back of my neck.  Pardon my paranoid, suspicious. but historically alert old mind.

What about ammo?  I know many of us have more than a week's supply of  ammunition and loading components on hand.  Can we claim that we shoot 5000 rd of .22 LR in a week?  Or use 5000 large rifle primers in a week?

Hmmm.  Not to put ideas in the anti-gunners' heads, but if I can think of this in my little senior citizen's apartment in Colorado, why can't they think of it in the confines of their anti-gunner ratholes?

We all know about the President's remarks about putting gun control efforts "under the radar"( citation needed), and this stuff strikes me as a perfect back-door-but-hold-in-reserve gun control (or ammunition control, which is the same thing) ploy.

The link to Dregs' post provided by HiCarry (above Reply #6):

http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=895.0

yeilds an interesting insight on this "stockpiling" issue, excutive orders, and the citations of Hawaiian law relating to it, despite the fact that the information is from 2005.

Frivolity about KK's gun purchases in this thread aside, I think this is an important enough issue in terms of "ammuntion control" to be looked at carefully.  I think I may bring it up on one of the mainland gun boards.

Sooooo, pardon my paranoia, but paranoia is a survival trait, in my book.

Terry, 230RN

What is considered excessive gun purchasing?  In the past month I bought a Sig 226 and then the very next day a Baby Desert Eagle.  I recently saw a rifle that  I wanted to use my tax return to purchase.  Would that be considered an excessive amount of firearms purchases in a short span of time?  And would that raise a red flag?  I know when I took my hand gun safety class something to that effect was mentioned.

Thanks 

In a perfect world, what and how many of something one buys should be nobody's business. BUT if you buy 2 or more handguns (from a dealer) within a 5 day span, they are supposed to file a Form 3310.4. I'm not a tin foil hat kind of guy, but any report specifically documenting a multiple purchase can't be good. Just the fact that they'd want to generate extra paperwork (it's in addition to the 4473) that goes on file with the ATF has to mean something.

On a side note...being on a "list" is not something to joke about these days.

Is paying for ammo or powder and primers and cash a suspicious activity? Any shops out there who want to go on record saying they won't track their customers like this?

Is paying for ammo or powder and primers and cash a suspicious activity? Any shops out there who want to go on record saying they won't track their customers like this?

how would they?

how would they?

Cross reference the fingerprint that you left on the cash used to buy the primers and powder with the fingerprints in the FBI database that were cataloged when you first applied for a gun permit.  Once making a positive ID they'd track your smartphone using GPS and confirm that you were at the gun shop recently.  Open and shut case. 

Or that's how I'd do it, in a movie.

 

Scary thought is that often times the fictional world of the movies parallels real life...

Cross reference the fingerprint that you left on the cash used to buy the primers and powder with the fingerprints in the FBI database that were cataloged when you first applied for a gun permit.  Once making a positive ID they'd track your smartphone using GPS and confirm that you were at the gun shop recently.  Open and shut case. 

Or that's how I'd do it, in a movie.

 

that's it. I'm not leaving the house.

I have tried to find any updated reference to the "hoarding" statues, particularily Ch. 128, where the initial citation appeared to originate. I haven't had any luck....but that's partially because I have been a little busy and haven't had a lot of time lately.

But, I do think the issues Terry (230RN) brings up are valid, and while not generally inclined to jump onto conspiracy theories, I do think that such laws, whether intentional or not, create a possibility that the .gov COULD use to go after "preppers" of all types.

What to do? Watch the legislature....which is difficult. I geneally consider myself pretty well informed and try to stay updated with these types of issues, but I missed the recent concurrent resolution that asked the Feds to, among other things, repeal the Second Amendment. CISPA and other encroachments are insideously transforming our expansive personal freedoms into a mockery of what our Founding Fathers envisioned. The "Terry" frisk is a clear example of how our personal rights can be slowly diminished....initially the case alleged that an officer could not search anyone without probably cause, then it was only if the officer thought that there had been, or was about to be a crime AND thought the subject COULD be armed. Now, they just routinely search using the "everybody is considered armed" argument.

Executive Orders (EOs) are another issue....some have argued they are overreaching Presidential Authority and circumventing the controls intended by our governmental framework. In otherwords, our Founding Fathers were well aware that unchallenged authority would inevitably lead to problems, hence the separation, and associated checks and balances, on the branches of the government. I personally think the Founding Fathers would be agast at the idea that a President can, with a stoke of his pen alone, bypassing the clear mandate that all laws are created in Congress, implement policy and procedures that have the force of law.

For now I think the chances of the .gov coming after "preppers" is pretty remote....but who knows what minor issue may cause them to suddenly reverse course and target them.........I hate to invoke the "slipperly slope" or the "camel's nose under the tent" analogy, but they do seem somewhat relevant to this issue.

It's only excessive if you can't pay for them.

I'd be worried about ammo availability and cost.  Too many dissimilar cartridges = beaucoup $$. Now multiple guns in common calibers, good to go..........

I know someone that had bought about 10 or 11 guns in a two or three month span. He also has bought larger amounts of ammo at different times and has a decent sized "stock pile". No knocks on the door that I know of.

I know someone that had bought about 10 or 11 guns in a two or three month span. He also has bought larger amounts of ammo at different times and has a decent sized "stock pile". No knocks on the door that I know of.

Meh, I do that every two to three months.

Hahaha