Maunakea TMT Protests (Read 296804 times)

Direjackalope

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #880 on: September 15, 2019, 07:00:26 AM »
“Get woke, go broke,” applied to states as well as businesses?  I’m looking at you HI and CA.

oldfart

What, Me Worry?

punaperson

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #884 on: September 15, 2019, 08:39:26 AM »
"Kapu aloha" in action or black ops hoax by the TMT supporters to make the superstitious racists look bad?

hmmm...TMT supporters have been very passive in all aspects
Deeds Not Words

groveler

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #885 on: September 15, 2019, 02:20:16 PM »
hmmm...TMT supporters have been very passive in all aspects
The new TMT like the original TMT( the Kecks)
was designed for Mauna Kea.  Moving TMT to the Canary islands
basically makes the new TMT a waste of time.
Money would be better spent on the James Webb Space telescope.
It is Hawaii's loss, but from what I've seen in my nearly Twenty years here,
Hawaiians deserve to be poor, ignorant, and slaves to whom ever shows
up with guns.

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #886 on: September 15, 2019, 03:46:25 PM »
The new TMT like the original TMT( the Kecks)
was designed for Mauna Kea.  Moving TMT to the Canary islands
basically makes the new TMT a waste of time.
Money would be better spent on the James Webb Space telescope.
It is Hawaii's loss, but from what I've seen in my nearly Twenty years here,
Hawaiians Hawaii residents deserve to be poor, ignorant, and slaves to whom ever shows
up with guns.

because before this "movement" I never saw so much people who claim to be of Hawaiian blood and not only Hawaiian but of Hawaiian Royalty.
Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #887 on: September 15, 2019, 03:54:53 PM »
It is Hawaii's loss, but from what I've seen in my nearly Twenty years here,
Hawaiians deserve to be poor, ignorant, and slaves to whom ever shows
up with guns.

Got some news for you; we Hawaiians will never leave our homeland nor cease efforts to end the illegal occupation by the US.   :thumbsup:

If your statements above is how you feel about Hawaiians, why don't you just move and live somewhere else.   :shaka:

Hawaiians are not asking you or the US, for that matter, to stay.

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #888 on: September 15, 2019, 04:01:58 PM »
“Get woke, go broke,” applied to states as well as businesses?  I’m looking at you HI and CA.

Funny at that "Get Woke" BS. So someone learned to read social media posts and believes it to be true and is "woke"? Social media invokes more emotions than anything. Platforms like Twitter, FB and IG are DESIGNED to invoke emotional responses. What do you think the "like" buttons, the number of followers and other social metrics are there for?
And again, people feel oppressed with accounts in Youtube, IG, FB, Twitter etc. and people still enjoy flying and burning what ever flag they want on their brand new lifted, 4x4, 2003 Toyota Tacomas. Give it a break...enough of the victimhood crap.
And lumping all these issues of U.S. "colonialism", "imperialism" is BS because the project is made of countries of India, China and Canada. IF that was the case, China has a very effective means of oppression and dealing with protestors that these "protectors" would not stand a chance against.
It's also ironic that some of these protesters don't identify as American but are using the very AMERICAN right of protesting. Don't dare protest in Russia or China and don't place this protest in a romanticized view of a Hawaiian MONARCHY.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2019, 04:11:55 PM by ren »
Deeds Not Words

punaperson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #889 on: September 15, 2019, 06:11:20 PM »
Got some news for you; we Hawaiians will never leave our homeland nor cease efforts to end the illegal occupation by the US.   :thumbsup:

If your statements above is how you feel about Hawaiians, why don't you just move and live somewhere else.   :shaka:

Hawaiians are not asking you or the US, for that matter, to stay.
More non-sequiturs. You must work overtime not thinking them up. What in the world of logic does "Hawaiians deserve to be ignorant, poor and slaves" have to do with anything about them leaving? Or perpetuating their bullshit about "illegal occupation"?

Who cares what the superstitious racist historical revisionists and legality-dumb think about anything, much less whether a U.S. citizen has the legal right to stay in the United States? Talk to us again when these islands have been legally severed from the United States. Of course you won't shut up with your ridiculous absurdities because you know full well that day will never come. NEVER. You and your ilk claim it will happen "soon"... but after 126 years of whining and stomping your feet you still won't make a wager that it will happen within three years ($10,000 of each bettor to be held by neutral third party). Why don't you tell us when it is going to happen, even roughly? 2021? 2050? 4692? Yeah, I thought so.

robtmc

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #890 on: September 15, 2019, 07:10:22 PM »
Platforms like Twitter, FB and IG are DESIGNED to invoke emotional responses. What do you think the "like" buttons, the number of followers and other social metrics are there for?
Never been on one of those social media sites, but what you write rings true.

From what i gather on the periphery, they are infested with females and males of questionable gender.  IOW, a democrat kingdom.

macsak

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #891 on: September 15, 2019, 08:08:42 PM »
they sure are "protecting" the mauna
https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/blog/2019/09/12/nr19-163/

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #892 on: September 15, 2019, 08:21:47 PM »
Got some news for you; we Hawaiians will never leave our homeland nor cease efforts to end the illegal occupation by the US.   :thumbsup:

If your statements above is how you feel about Hawaiians, why don't you just move and live somewhere else.   :shaka:

Hawaiians are not asking you or the US, for that matter, to stay.

So, basically, you have no idea how "occupation" of a land works.

We come.  We occupy.  You obey.

If you don't like the rules, the only 2 options are "learn to get along" and "forcibly kick the occupiers out."  I don't see the latter happening anything in the next century, so why don't we all just accept the situation and try to get along?

You don't see Japan all bent out of shape toward the US for being the only country to have had nukes used against them, do you?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #893 on: September 15, 2019, 09:18:22 PM »
Soooo.... someone goes on facebook and posts a mass shooting threat at the state capitol building.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/09/15/fbi-investigating-online-threat-mass-shooting-state-capitol/

Is it THAT hard to trace it back?

UPDATE:

Quote
The FBI alert identified George Sopi, 29, as the apparent author of the threat. It adds that “Sopi has made other
recent social media posts about violence towards Hawaii Governor Ige and other mass shootings.”

According to the FBI bulletin, Sopi has a criminal history that includes assault, assault against a police officer,
and marijuana offenses. The bulletin also said Sopi appears to have access to a firearm.

State Attorney General Clare Connors said in a written response to questions that Sopi has not been arrested
by Hawaii Department of Public Safety of state attorney generals investigators.

“State law enforcement is aware of the post from yesterday,” Connors wrote. She added that FBI bulletin “confirms
that law enforcement is sharing intel among local and federal partners, and taking appropriate action to investigate
and respond.”…

(NOTE: Since the FBI is investigating this, there will be an actual arrest. 
It is amazing what happens when police are not tied down by state politics.)


That last line is hilarious --- and true!!  Although, given the Hildabeast email and Comey crimes that went unindicted, the FBi
doesn't arrest anyone the DOJ sees as political favorites, too.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesDailyNews/tabid/65/ID/24162/September-14-2019-News-Read.aspx?utm_source=September+15%2C+2019+News+from+HawaiiFreePress++&utm_campaign=September+15%2C+2019+Email&utm_medium=email
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #894 on: September 15, 2019, 09:58:22 PM »
Who cares what the superstitious racist historical revisionists and legality-dumb think about anything, much less whether a U.S. citizen has the legal right to stay in the United States? Talk to us again when these islands have been legally severed from the United States. Of course you won't shut up with your ridiculous absurdities because you know full well that day will never come. NEVER. You and your ilk claim it will happen "soon"... but after 126 years of whining and stomping your feet you still won't make a wager that it will happen within three years ($10,000 of each bettor to be held by neutral third party). Why don't you tell us when it is going to happen, even roughly? 2021? 2050? 4692? Yeah, I thought so.

As always, why don't you come to Mauna Kea and PEACEFULLY educate the Hawaiians that their cause for freedom from the US is foolhardy as well as present your wager above.

Kuleana

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #895 on: September 15, 2019, 10:06:57 PM »
So, basically, you have no idea how "occupation" of a land works.

We come.  We occupy.  You obey.

If you don't like the rules, the only 2 options are "learn to get along" and "forcibly kick the occupiers out."  I don't see the latter happening anything in the next century, so why don't we all just accept the situation and try to get along?

You don't see Japan all bent out of shape toward the US for being the only country to have had nukes used against them, do you?

Freedom from imperialism is never easy and may take some time to overcome.  Until then, Hawaiians will never stop educating, highlighting, and reminding others about the illegal occupation.  In the meantime, I guess you just have to get used to seeing our flags fly proudly from steeple to pick-up trucks.   :shaka:

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #896 on: September 15, 2019, 11:04:12 PM »
As always, why don't you come to Mauna Kea and PEACEFULLY educate the Hawaiians that their cause for freedom from the US is foolhardy as well as present your wager above.

Why does he have to travel to the protestors' illegal presence at Mauna Kea? These protestors don't want to negotiate and absolutely don't want the telescope to be built. So what's the point of "educating" them? They have chained themselves to a cattle guard and put elderly persons on the access road. Who can reason with that mentality?
Why don't they stop blocking the road to observatories and protest something more aligned with the issues of "illegal U.S. occupation", "imperialism" and "colonialism". i.e. a U.S. military base. Like I said this project is a partnership of nations: India, China and Canada. Why don't you and your protestors travel to India, China and Canada and protest there?
Deeds Not Words

mrgaf

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #897 on: September 15, 2019, 11:10:34 PM »
Freedom from imperialism is never easy and may take some time to overcome.  Until then, Hawaiians will never stop educating, highlighting, and reminding others about the illegal occupation.  In the meantime, I guess you just have to get used to seeing our flags fly proudly from steeple to pick-up trucks.   :shaka:

And your upside down flags burning in the streets... :shaka:
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #898 on: September 16, 2019, 01:27:25 AM »
And your upside down flags burning in the streets... :shaka:

Maybe we can get some tow trucks to roll a few of the protester trucks over ... you know, so the flags would be flying right side up?

I mean, if they are that upset over one flag that they nailed to a building being cut, it's the least we can do to show respect for the state's  kingdom's flag!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #899 on: September 16, 2019, 01:35:40 AM »
Freedom from imperialism is never easy and may take some time to overcome.  Until then, Hawaiians will never stop educating, highlighting, and reminding others about playing the victim over the illegal occupation annexation.  In the meantime, I guess you just have to get used to seeing our flags fly proudly from steeple to pick-up trucks.   :shaka:

"Your flag" was nailed to an illegal building.  What kind of respect is that?

Bunch of hypocrites now feigning outrage over it being removed.   :sleeping:

Was the flag "proudly" nailed to the door and covered with more wood?  Just asking, because the whole thing is confusing.  I don't think that's how I was taught to respect symbols, particularly flags.

Also, flying a flag upside-down is an international symbol of distress, which means you are summoning help immediately in a life-or-death situation.

Pretending you're respecting the flag while at the same time using it in a way that demonstrates no respect for the traditions, rules and laws concerning the proper use of flags makes everyone who does it look ridiculous and childish.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw