Maunakea TMT Protests (Read 272989 times)

RSN172

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1040 on: September 25, 2019, 10:24:14 AM »
HNN said Keaau HS principal banned students from wearing the Hawaiian flag in school and plenny peopo wen get all huhu.
Happily living in Puna

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1041 on: September 25, 2019, 12:16:33 PM »
TMT is just a political "whipping boy" for the Hawaiian activists.  They said so in less direct words:

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“I think Mauna Kea has provided us something that we have never seen at least not in my time
and now it’s how do we advance our Hawaiian people so that they are sustainable,” said Kuhio
Lewis, CEO for the Council for Native Hawaiian Advancement.

They don't care about the telescope.  it could be a national park or campground.  It's all about getting attention for their cause -- no matter the cost to everyone in the state.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/09/24/protest-leaders-draw-hundreds-native-hawaiian-convention/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1042 on: September 25, 2019, 09:03:04 PM »
I'm sure this guy is watching the illegal Mauna Kea road blockade by the superstitious racists and thinking that if his lawsuit doesn't work out he will sit in the road to the airport... maybe for months.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1043 on: September 25, 2019, 10:49:24 PM »
HNN said Keaau HS principal banned students from wearing the Hawaiian flag in school and plenny peopo wen get all huhu.

Can the school even do that legally?

Heavies

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1044 on: September 25, 2019, 10:53:13 PM »
Can the school even do that legally?

There have been some schools that ban the wearing of Americana attire.  Not sure if that went anywhere legally.

groveler

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1045 on: September 26, 2019, 03:28:27 PM »
I've always said TMT would never be built.
My initial reasoning was cost and racial Hawaiian
( I don't believe there is a Hawaiian race)opposition.
I just read,  #2 site in the Canary islands, LaPalma was just
shut down for ecological reasons by their government.
So it is Mauna Kea or bust.
Don't get me wrong I helped do studies to prove TMT was
feasible, and I know many people that work on it.
I think it is an amazing machine.  I'd rather they spent all
that money and talent on Cancer research or Fusion reactors.
Let James Webb space telescope and the rest of the Earth
observatories study history.
I'm more interested in the future.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1046 on: September 26, 2019, 10:39:40 PM »
There have been some schools that ban the wearing of Americana attire.  Not sure if that went anywhere legally.

I am pretty sure they can't blanket ban stuff except in certain circumstances like clothing with gang symbols, drug use, or pornography which can be articulated to be problematic. The way around it is to require uniforms. I could be wrong though, I don't know if it has been legally challenged either.

RSN172

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1047 on: September 27, 2019, 05:12:58 AM »
Keaau HS requires students to wear a school tshirt.  They were using flags as capes which made it difficult for school security to id students.
Happily living in Puna

ren

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1048 on: September 27, 2019, 08:38:13 AM »
Deeds Not Words

Heavies

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1049 on: September 27, 2019, 08:53:55 AM »
https://www.kitv.com/story/41111802/civil-beat-office-of-hawaiian-affairs-has-spent-dollar39k-to-support-activists-on-mauna-kea

it's akin to selling my guns and donating the funds to the Brady Campaign

They are trying to buy themselves back into good graces.   Hope Hawaiian are smarter than that, OHA has been screwing Hawaiians all over the place...   

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2202526446706948&id=100008488416263

Kuleana

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1050 on: September 27, 2019, 10:43:55 AM »
They are trying to buy themselves back into good graces.   Hope Hawaiian are smarter than that, OHA has been screwing Hawaiians all over the place...   

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2202526446706948&id=100008488416263

Many Hawaiians are aware of what OHA really is.

OHA is nothing, but an organization that was created by the so-called Hawaii state government and funded by federal monies to keep Hawaiians under control while the illegal occupation and exploitation of Hawaiian Kingdom lands by the US continues.  They only spend a fraction of the money in their possession on the betterment of Hawaiians and share the majority of the wealth among themselves and their cronies.

They fanatically support having Hawaiians assent to being a "nation within a nation" like a Native American Indian tribe and are obviously against any movement for the restoration of the Hawaiian nation state.  They are nothing but a puppet organization of the US funded by American taxpayers.

Heavies

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1051 on: September 27, 2019, 12:06:35 PM »
Many Hawaiians are aware of what OHA really is.

OHA is nothing, but an organization that was created by the so-called Hawaii state government and funded by federal monies to keep Hawaiians under control while the illegal occupation and exploitation of Hawaiian Kingdom lands by the US continues.  They only spend a fraction of the money in their possession on the betterment of Hawaiians and share the majority of the wealth among themselves and their cronies.

They fanatically support having Hawaiians assent to being a "nation within a nation" like a Native American Indian tribe and are obviously against any movement for the restoration of the Hawaiian nation state.  They are nothing but a puppet organization of the US funded by American taxpayers.

However,  OHA is elected.  Hawaiians should organize and elect people that will not be "puppets".

I never hear anything much about the OHA candidates, I have a hard time even finding what policies they root for. Should use your American freedoms to better your situation.

Organize grass roots informational campaigns.  Since anyone can vote for OHA trustees, more info needs to be disseminated.   Also, voter registration drives, and encouragement to actually vote when the time comes. 

I would vote for pro Hawaiian candidates (as long as they are pro 2A of course)

Kuleana

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1052 on: September 27, 2019, 01:38:37 PM »
However,  OHA is elected.  Hawaiians should organize and elect people that will not be "puppets".

I never hear anything much about the OHA candidates, I have a hard time even finding what policies they root for. Should use your American freedoms to better your situation.

Organize grass roots informational campaigns.  Since anyone can vote for OHA trustees, more info needs to be disseminated.   Also, voter registration drives, and encouragement to actually vote when the time comes. 

I would vote for pro Hawaiian candidates (as long as they are pro 2A of course)

Similar to all other elections for public office in the US, where Americans are often faced with choosing pre-selected political candidates; most candidates for OHA are either already compromised or totally clueless and unqualified for the duties that is expected of them.

Moreover, as most Hawaiians know what the mission of OHA really is, that is to keep Hawaiians under control; that is why potentially legitimate and capable Hawaiian candidates will not waste their time being a part of that organization.

It is nice to hear, however, there are some on this forum who genuinely respect Hawaiians, as evidenced by the CIVIL RESPONSES they post.   :shaka:

robtmc

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1054 on: September 27, 2019, 03:53:38 PM »
I never hear anything much about the OHA candidates, I have a hard time even finding what policies they root for. Should use your American freedoms to better your situation.
Yes, run into that problem every election.   How are you supposed to choose?

RSN172

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1055 on: October 02, 2019, 11:28:27 AM »
Today it was disclosed that the TMT protest is costing Hawaii County $50,000 a day.   The county budget is $55,533,138 requested for 2019-20 fiscal year, of which $26,100,000 is used to pay additional salary increases, retiree benefits, wages and health care for all of them.  The remaining $29,433,138 is being reduced at the rate of $1,500,000 per month by those sitting on the mauna.

But look on the bright side.  The porta potty companies and their employees are making extra money.  Good job everyone.
Happily living in Puna

punaperson

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1056 on: October 02, 2019, 11:53:33 AM »
Today it was disclosed that the TMT protest is costing Hawaii County $50,000 a day.   The county budget is $55,533,138 requested for 2019-20 fiscal year, of which $26,100,000 is used to pay additional salary increases, retiree benefits, wages and health care for all of them.  The remaining $29,433,138 is being reduced at the rate of $1,500,000 per month by those sitting on the mauna.

But look on the bright side.  The porta potty companies and their employees are making extra money.  Good job everyone.
A(nother) bright and shining example of the superior politically-correct Democrat ideologue rulers (Ige, Lyin' Harry Kim, Chief Ferreira, et al.) of we Hawaii subjects. Can't wait for the "kingdom" to be restored so we will have even more benefits of being ruled by superstitious racist dictators (once they resolve the heavy fighting about who the true top of the royalty pile is...).

The superstitious racist "protesters" said today (in response to Lyin' Harry's full color "brochure" with the insipid "heart" geological feature on the cover... you can't make this stuff up!) that they will never allow TMT (or anything else) to EVER despoil their "sacred"-designated lands (obviously not the lands they lease for tens of millions of dollars per year to WalMart, Target, Home Depot, Safeway, etc.). If you saw this crap as part of a movie, you'd say "I can't suspend my disbelief THAT MUCH! That kind of stupid sh*t could never happen in real life... makes the movie plot absurd."

drck1000

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1057 on: October 02, 2019, 12:12:36 PM »
Today it was disclosed that the TMT protest is costing Hawaii County $50,000 a day.   The county budget is $55,533,138 requested for 2019-20 fiscal year, of which $26,100,000 is used to pay additional salary increases, retiree benefits, wages and health care for all of them.  The remaining $29,433,138 is being reduced at the rate of $1,500,000 per month by those sitting on the mauna.

But look on the bright side.  The porta potty companies and their employees are making extra money.  Good job everyone.
I just read something along the lines of the TMT project committee/board/whatever is in favor of sticking it out, for years if need be.  That the Maunakea site is that advantageous. 

groveler

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1058 on: October 02, 2019, 12:26:34 PM »
I just read something along the lines of the TMT project committee/board/whatever is in favor of sticking it out, for years if need be.  That the Maunakea site is that advantageous.
I guess you did not read my comment, so I will repeat.
"I just read,  #2 site in the Canary islands, LaPalma was just
shut down for ecological reasons by their government.
So it is Mauna Kea or bust."

drck1000

Re: Maunakea TMT Protests
« Reply #1059 on: October 02, 2019, 12:28:17 PM »
I guess you did not read my comment, so I will repeat.
"I just read,  #2 site in the Canary islands, LaPalma was just
shut down for ecological reasons by their government.
So it is Mauna Kea or bust."
No, I didn’t. Generally don’t...