You must be incredibly naive, just trying to argue, or blind.

I didn't say it doesn't happen, I just cannot think of any recent ones off the top of my head. If I was only against Trump I wouldn't have pointed out Obama faced the same issue.

This one made national attention because it was the president. I am sure it happens at various lower level governments but it probably doesn't get national attention.

In this case it isn't about Trump but about the ethical issue that unlawful command influence raises. Note that I didn't say Trump should be impeached or arrested, I just shared the story for discussion.

I didn't say it doesn't happen, I just cannot think of any recent ones off the top of my head. If I was only against Trump I wouldn't have pointed out Obama faced the same issue.

This one made national attention because it was the president. I am sure it happens at various lower level governments but it probably doesn't get national attention.

In this case it isn't about Trump but about the ethical issue that unlawful command influence raises. Note that I didn't say Trump should be impeached or arrested, I just shared the story for discussion.

Seems like you're not saying a whole lot here. . .

This case isn't about Trump and about the ethical issue that unlawful command influence? Yet the title of the thread is "Trump and unlawful command influence".  Seems like you are trying to make a point, but when your rationale in making your point is torn apart, you fall back to "well I am not aware".  I'm truly trying not add to the dogpile that seems to result with all of your "arguments", but can you really hear yourself arguing these points?

Seems like you're not saying a whole lot here. . .

You are correct. I posted this for discussion, it is that simple. If I had some agenda to push against Trump I would have called for his impeachment, but I didn't.

Instead people seem to think that because I raise the issue for discussion that I am therefore against Trump. The knee jerk reaction to defend Trump is often so strong people get defensive at the slightest though someone might be criticizing him. I get the same reaction from people on the left when I say something they think is remotely defending Trump.

You asked about all the other times people do it. I never denied any of that I just told you to bring them up. My inability to recall other instances off the top of my head is indicative of nothing. Besides I welcomed you to bring up any others. So me not being aware does not tear apart any point.


But you want me to say something here?
I think what Trump said was unprofessional and is not something a good leader should be saying. His comment is inconsistent with how the justice system is supposed to operate. Do I think he should be impeached for it? Nope.

Trump doesn't possess that restraint.

Going back to the original statement (portion of) that spurred me response. I took that as bias against in that I had observed pretty much all politicians do that, albeit a lot more subtlety or even suggestively. Doesn’t change the intent, which is to sway. And that’s the hypocrisy that I was pointing out. When one side says that’s what the other side does, shut the hell ip, you (meaning politician) all do it.

You are correct. I posted this for discussion, it is that simple. If I had some agenda to push against Trump I would have called for his impeachment, but I didn't.

Instead people seem to think that because I raise the issue for discussion that I am therefore against Trump. The knee jerk reaction to defend Trump is often so strong people get defensive at the slightest though someone might be criticizing him. I get the same reaction from people on the left when I say something they think is remotely defending Trump.

But you want me to say something here?
I think what Trump said was unprofessional and is not something a good leader should be saying. His comment is inconsistent with how the justice system is supposed to operate. Do I think he should be impeached for it? Nope.

I get what you’re saying here, but there’s also the seemingly (my opinion) blind and irrational rage anything against Trump and bling allegiance to the Great Messiah (BHO) that really sickens me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just folks who just blindly regurgitate or hate on something without having the discipline to think for themselves makes me 

Does how Trump goes about doing things come of a crass or unprofessional? Sure! But that’s just as bad as those politicians who do it in more “presidential” manner. You seem to be saying his value as a leader is his lowered since he doesn’t have a professional facade. While I certainly don’t care for that, I do see (my opinion only) him doing very positive things for this country, many that don’t get covered due to media bias.

y'all are racists

y'all are racists

Did you have one to many Black and Tans? 

How about some Johnny Black?

 

Going back to the original statement (portion of) that spurred me response. I took that as bias against in that I had observed pretty much all politicians do that, albeit a lot more subtlety or even suggestively. Doesn’t change the intent, which is to sway. And that’s the hypocrisy that I was pointing out. When one side says that’s what the other side does, shut the hell ip, you (meaning politician) all do it.
I get what you’re saying here, but there’s also the seemingly (my opinion) blind and irrational rage anything against Trump and bling allegiance to the Great Messiah (BHO) that really sickens me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just folks who just blindly regurgitate or hate on something without having the discipline to think for themselves makes me 

Does how Trump goes about doing things come of a crass or unprofessional? Sure! But that’s just as bad as those politicians who do it in more “presidential” manner. You seem to be saying his value as a leader is his lowered since he doesn’t have a professional facade. While I certainly don’t care for that, I do see (my opinion only) him doing very positive things for this country, many that don’t get covered due to media bias.

I am not an all or nothing type of guy who pledges allegiance to a party or individual. I defend Trump when I see non sequitur attacks against him and I did the same thing for Obama. Likewise  I have no qualms about criticizing Trump where he goes wrong. People mistakenly conclude that I am therefore against Trump. There absolutely are knee jerk reactions against Trump. Doesn't matter what he says or do, they will use confirmation bias to see it in a bad light.

Now if someone said Hitler ate babies I would point out that there is no evidence that Hitler ate babies. Not because I like hitler but because the facts are all that matters. Yet somehow people would conclude that such a statement means I support Hitler!

Now as for whether Trump's value as a leader is lowered because he doesn't have that professional facade I think there are two sides to that issue. There is the image and there is actual influence. In this instance I don't think Trump's comments had any affect on the actual outcome of the trial. So in that sense Trump's value was not lowered. On the other side a sense of justice should be upheld to a certain standard because image matters and trust matters. I use racial issues in the justice system as a comparison. Even if cops aren't racist and aren't unfairly treating black men there is still a problem if black men believe cops are because in reality  people will react according to the image even when it turns out the image is wrong. So in this sense I think it could be said that Trump's value is diminished somewhat by his comment.

So given all of that, the more obvious and the more blatant such comments are I think the worse it is because we need to be able to trust our justice system works properly.  Along these lines I have criticized Obama in the past because of comments he made about police treatment of black people and the way it undermined how justice is supposed to work. There were a few times where Obama was smart and withheld any comment even though he likely had opinions.

Did you have one to many Black and Tans? 

How about some Johnny Black?

 

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Sets a dangerous president 

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