Muller Testimony to House Committee (Read 8121 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2019, 10:17:54 PM »
Nolte's take... pretty damn funny.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/25/nolte-robert-mueller-isnt-senile-he-was-a-dirty-cop-forced-to-take-the-witness-stand/

Robert Mueller Isn’t Senile; He Was a Dirty Cop Forced to Take the Witness Stand

They told us Robert Mueller was Captain America: Crusader for Truth, and instead we got George Costanza and all the inept deception, sweaty stalling, and blundering dishonesty that comes with him.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s bumbling, stumbling, grumbling, tumbling, crumbling testimony Wednesday before the U.S House of Representatives was not only karma on steroids, it once again proved just how  brilliant the American Constitution is.

You see, the sublime spectacle of watching Robert Mueller’s reputation go up in flames, flames ignited by his own corrupt report and fueled by three years of the establishment media’s hoax machinery, would not have been possible without the Separation of Powers, without the ability of one branch of government to hold the other in check,

Did you see what happened yesterday… Captain America is a partisan monster, a Resistance Vengeance Machine whose precious purview included nothing that matters — Christopher Steele: Not in my purview, bro. The FISA warrants to spy on a sitting president: Not on my purview, bro. Russia’s role in the Steele Dossier: You are totally harshing my purview, bro. Hillary Clinton and the DNC’s role in the Steele dossier: Why are you all up in my purview, bro?  The Obama administration’s unprecedented unmasking of Trump officials: Purview, bro. The FBI spying on a presidential campaign: Watch me purview, bro. James Comey’s leaks: I hardly know the man. Fusion GPS: What is this Fusion GPS you speak of?

Oh, but what is in Walter Mitty’s purview?

Paul Manafort’s taxes.

[Etc.]

Funny but stupid. There is no real evidence that Mueller was dirty or biased. At best a few circumstantial bits that would prompt fair questions but that's about it.

If Mueller was dirty and against Trump he would have found a way to sink Trump. Democrats wanted him to but he didn't even give them a bone, claims of him being dirty are stupidly empty.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2019, 10:30:10 PM »
A senator did bring that up to Mueller.  In all his years of investigating, he has never mentioned exoneration in any of his reports. So why now?  Another senator brought a few thick books with him about the judicial system, law, and constitution and no where does it say a special consul has the power to exonerate anyone.

HPD's job isn't to prove innocents or guilt.  It's to gather evidence.  And in some cases, they even detain you while they collect said evidence.  Regarding your example, would HPD ever make a statement  that the X is innocent or exonerated?  Or will HPD just say "there's no evidence that supports X stole the car".

When it comes to police comments I have seen so many in news interviews. They might say the investigation cleared the accused, they might say the complaint was unfounded, they might say the accused was innocent, etc. I don't think their statements on such things follow any legal guideline or represent a legal status. Of course some of it would depend on the nature of the investigation where something accusations could never be disproven but others could be disproven.

Here is how I see Mueller's statement about exoneration.
#1 Trump publicly claimed he was exonerated which kind of prompts everyone to look back at Mueller and want to know if it is true
#2 Mueller probably knew that he would be called to testify to his findings and the question would come up anyway
#3 I think Mueller knows that the average person does not understand criminal legalize and might misunderstand his findings
#4 Mueller probably knew that the news would spin it in all different ways so to avoid that go straight to clearing up the question about exoneration so pundits couldn't put as much spin.
#5 This isn't your average accused individual so ideas about what is normal don't always work well.

That is my theory about why Mueller made the statement he did.


Now I could be wrong but I have a hunch that if a victim called up a prosecutor who wasn't filing charges against the accused and they asked the prosecutor whether the accused was exonerated the prosecutor would likely answer that the accused was not exonerated. Any prosecutors on 2A?

eyeeatingfish

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2019, 10:34:56 PM »
The problem with the investigation is it started off wrong.  Seems their starting point was Trump is certainly guilty and we have to find the evidence.  Instead of investigating Russian collusion with Trump as a possible suspect and working up the case to find out the truth.

They had a hard time finding evidence of Trump's guilt and when they couldn't find it, they kept digging for it and it's why the case took so long. At some point they must've realized that they weren't going to find anything but didn't want to be wrong, felt the pressure, and needed to justify all the time and money spent on the case so they kept digging hoping for a miracle.

I think the counter point to that is that the nature of the accusation is so serious and the accused in such a high position that they would want to be very thorough. Imagine they hadn't dug deep and something came up years later, everyone would look back and lament at what a terrible investigation they did.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2019, 10:51:00 PM »

Notice that in my comment I said a police investigation could find you innocent, I didn't mention a jury.

Yes it is not of the same legal status as a juries decision but it is possible the an investigation could be said to prove someone innocent under certain situations.

Normally I would agree about Mueller's statements but this isn't just anyone, this is the president who sits beyond the reach of the federal justice system. It is a unique situation with a unique dynamic. To say its not fair because Trump was never charged is misleading because Mueller didn't have the ability to charge Trump. He was between a rock and a hard place and I think he did the best thing he could. Present the findings and let congress do their thing and voters do their thing.

Mueller had the ability to state whether the President committed a crime.  Mueller never said that.  He signed a report his staff wrote that smeared Trump by listing things he did that they decided isn't criminal.

Mueller was a figurehead.  His anti-Trump/Pro-Hillary staff of 14 Democrat lawyers did all the work and drafted the report.  Vol 2 was their consolation prize to the Dems in Congress, so they have something to continue the witch hunt.  Vol 2 never should have existed.  They focused 100% on the Trump team investigating tax returns and taxi medallions, but not one word of their investigation into the actions that the FBI counter-intelligence investigation was predicated on.

Mueller was tasked to perform a counter-intelligence investigation into Russian election interference and possible US citizen involvement.

Mueller turned it into a criminal investigation.  The things they chose to not investigate would have been the first things an intelligence officer would have looked into, such as who first reported the collusion? Why was the Steele Dossier used to secure the FISA warrants if they were unverified? Why was Mueller not worried about bias in the Special Counsel's office even after the FBI started firing one Trump-hater after another?  Surely he should have worried that any accusations of bias would bring into question any negative findings.

Mueller should have never been appointed Special Counsel. He obviously has outlived his ability to actually run a competent investigation.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2019, 03:20:08 PM »
Any prosecutors on 2A?

it's quite obvious that you don't see the irony of you asking someone to admit on the forum that they are a prosecutor...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2019, 03:46:59 PM »
Mueller, regarding the Steele Dossier:  That part of the investigation predated me, by at least 10 months.

So, if there had been any election interference, it would have also been before Mueller was appointed.

Mueller proved one thing:  He was not running the investigation, nor did he draft that report.

Need to change the name from "The Mueller Report" to "Office of Special Counsel's Staff Report on their efforts to get Trump."
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2019, 10:42:30 PM »
Sir what is your name?

Mueller : what page arw you referring to?

The cover sir

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2019, 11:07:51 PM »
Mueller had the ability to state whether the President committed a crime.  Mueller never said that.  He signed a report his staff wrote that smeared Trump by listing things he did that they decided isn't criminal.

Mueller was a figurehead.  His anti-Trump/Pro-Hillary staff of 14 Democrat lawyers did all the work and drafted the report.  Vol 2 was their consolation prize to the Dems in Congress, so they have something to continue the witch hunt.  Vol 2 never should have existed.  They focused 100% on the Trump team investigating tax returns and taxi medallions, but not one word of their investigation into the actions that the FBI counter-intelligence investigation was predicated on.

Mueller was tasked to perform a counter-intelligence investigation into Russian election interference and possible US citizen involvement.

Mueller turned it into a criminal investigation.  The things they chose to not investigate would have been the first things an intelligence officer would have looked into, such as who first reported the collusion? Why was the Steele Dossier used to secure the FISA warrants if they were unverified? Why was Mueller not worried about bias in the Special Counsel's office even after the FBI started firing one Trump-hater after another?  Surely he should have worried that any accusations of bias would bring into question any negative findings.

Mueller should have never been appointed Special Counsel. He obviously has outlived his ability to actually run a competent investigation.

Mueller could have come out and said Trump committed a crime but as others have pointed out it wouldn't be fair to say he committed a crime when he doesn't have the ability to charge him with a crime. He presented the findings and left it up for congress to decide what to do with it. That is the best way to keep his hands clean.

What evidence is there that Mueller's whole team was anti-Trump/pro-Hillary? Yeah you had three people who were found making comments which rightly got them removed from their position but that doesn't mean his whole team was biased.

The FISA warrants were issued before Mueller was appointed to investigate. I don't know why Mueller didn't go back and investigate the Steel dossier more. That is a fair criticism in my opinion and maybe there is even a good answer to it, but I don't know. Mueller was tasked with investigating Russian involvement with anyone in the Trump campaign and was authorized to prosecute any criminal violations arising out of the investigation.

The complaints about Mueller just don't make sense. He is somehow a Trump hater who was only investigating crimes by Trump and his buddies yet in the end he didn't say Trump committed a crime. He didn't even give the democrats a bone when he could have said all manner of things to try and hurt Trump.

drck1000

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2019, 10:34:28 AM »
Mueller could have come out and said Trump committed a crime but as others have pointed out it wouldn't be fair to say he committed a crime when he doesn't have the ability to charge him with a crime. He presented the findings and left it up for congress to decide what to do with it. That is the best way to keep his hands clean.

What evidence is there that Mueller's whole team was anti-Trump/pro-Hillary? Yeah you had three people who were found making comments which rightly got them removed from their position but that doesn't mean his whole team was biased.

The FISA warrants were issued before Mueller was appointed to investigate. I don't know why Mueller didn't go back and investigate the Steel dossier more. That is a fair criticism in my opinion and maybe there is even a good answer to it, but I don't know. Mueller was tasked with investigating Russian involvement with anyone in the Trump campaign and was authorized to prosecute any criminal violations arising out of the investigation.

The complaints about Mueller just don't make sense. He is somehow a Trump hater who was only investigating crimes by Trump and his buddies yet in the end he didn't say Trump committed a crime. He didn't even give the democrats a bone when he could have said all manner of things to try and hurt Trump.

Your argument is inconsistent.  Why even have a Special Counsel investigation if the inability to charge Trump with any crime also made it "unfair" to state whether or not Trump committed acts that satisfied the elements of a crime?

Mueller stated there was no evidence to support the accusation that Trump nor anyone related to his family or campaign, committed collusion or conspiracy with anyone from Russia with efforts to interfere in the 2016 election , BUT, when it came to obstruction, the rules were different?  If Mueller can't charge Trump with a crime, he could have very easily charged ANYONE ELSE who helped Trump obstruct the investigation.

Mueller stated point-blank that his investigation was NOT OBSTRUCTED.  But, that somehow doesn't mean Trump didn't commit the crime of obstruction?  Are you serious?

The entire investigation was predicated on a HOAX, yet Mueller purportedly didn't investigate the underlying facts that started the alleged crimes?


As for Mueller's team, this is the MOST POLITICAL INVESTIGATION IN US HISTORY, but political biases weren't even discussed among the DEMOCRATS hired to run it? LOL!!




No power to "exonerate":




DOJ OLC opinion on indicting a sitting president:




Legal analysis on obstruction during hearing:




Biased investigation:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2019, 10:00:53 PM »
Your argument is inconsistent.  Why even have a Special Counsel investigation if the inability to charge Trump with any crime also made it "unfair" to state whether or not Trump committed acts that satisfied the elements of a crime?

Mueller stated there was no evidence to support the accusation that Trump nor anyone related to his family or campaign, committed collusion or conspiracy with anyone from Russia with efforts to interfere in the 2016 election , BUT, when it came to obstruction, the rules were different?  If Mueller can't charge Trump with a crime, he could have very easily charged ANYONE ELSE who helped Trump obstruct the investigation.

Mueller stated point-blank that his investigation was NOT OBSTRUCTED.  But, that somehow doesn't mean Trump didn't commit the crime of obstruction?  Are you serious?

The entire investigation was predicated on a HOAX, yet Mueller purportedly didn't investigate the underlying facts that started the alleged crimes?

The way I see it Mueller was screwed no matter what he did. If he said Trump should be charged with a crime he would get criticized by one side. If he said Trump should not be charged with a crime he would get criticized by the other side. I think the smartest thing he could do is just investigate and present the findings to congress and let them decide what to do with the findings.

As for the obstruction you are right, Mueller could have charged anyone else however there wasn't really evidence that anyone else did anything. The whole argument for an obstruction charge is based entirely on Trump's comments and actions so I don't think there was anyone else to look at there. The fact that Mueller's investigation was never obstructed does not mean that no one attempted to obstruct. One does not have to be successful in obstructing an investigation to have violated the law. Thats why people can be charged with attempted crimes like attempted murder, attempted theft, attempted obstruction, etc.

Now correct me if I am wrong but Mueller never said there was no evidence, he just said there was not sufficient evidence to charge anyone with conspiracy. (colluding with Russia)

I think it is a fair question to ask why Mueller didn't focus more on the legitimacy of the report that started it all. Maybe there was enough evidence that could have led him to report back there is insufficient evidence to warrant an investigation but on the other hand if there remained a reasonable possibility that the allegation was true then I think, in this case, it is better to be safe than sorry. Take a rape case for example, there is rarely any proof that a rape actually happened, only an allegation but police still investigate it as if it were true. This may have been what Mueller was doing but its hard to know for sure since we didn't get an explanation out of him as far as I understand. Like I said, it is a fair question.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2019, 11:30:17 PM »
The way I see it Mueller was screwed no matter what he did. If he said Trump should be charged with a crime he would get criticized by one side. If he said Trump should not be charged with a crime he would get criticized by the other side. I think the smartest thing he could do is just investigate and present the findings to congress and let them decide what to do with the findings.

** Wrong.  The Special Counsel's duty was to the Attorney General, not Congress.  He was mandated to submit a CONFIDENTIAL REPORT TO THE USAG.  Period.  He did that, and Barr made the decision to make it public.  Congress is not part of the executive branch.  If they wanted to run things, they could have (and should have) formed a bi-partisan committee to do it, instead of letting the FBI investigate their own hoax.

As for the obstruction you are right, Mueller could have charged anyone else however there wasn't really evidence that anyone else did anything. The whole argument for an obstruction charge is based entirely on Trump's comments and actions so I don't think there was anyone else to look at there. The fact that Mueller's investigation was never obstructed does not mean that no one attempted to obstruct. One does not have to be successful in obstructing an investigation to have violated the law. Thats why people can be charged with attempted crimes like attempted murder, attempted theft, attempted obstruction, etc.

Now correct me if I am wrong but Mueller never said there was no evidence, he just said there was not sufficient evidence to charge anyone with conspiracy. (colluding with Russia).

** You're wrong.  Mueller said a lot of things, then contradicted himself, both verbally and in the report itself which was obviously drafted by someone other than Mueller.  You're trying to split hairs, as if actions alone that MIGHT BECOME evidence is actual evidence when it can't be -- by definition.

The presumption of innocence requires evidence to establish all elements of a crime in order to charge the subject with that crime.  If Mueller finds 1, 2, or 3 elements, but no evidence of the 4th required element, it's as iff the first 3 do not exist, because without ALL the evidence of a crime, there WAS NO CRIME.  Taken separately, they are evidence of nothing more than the individual acts themselves.

Analogy:  I look in your fridge and cabinets and find butter, eggs, vanilla extract, sugar, baking powder, salt and buttermilk. All you're missing to make a tasty vanilla cake is flour. Can I call what you have a cake?  No.  Can I call those items cake ingredients?  No, not until they are mixed together and baked(assuming flour is added) or you tell me you intend to use them to make a cake.  (Most people intending to commit a crime don't give investigators the courtesy of stating their intentions.) You call them what they are -- individual items that MAY be used for any variety of things, including a cake.  But, without the flour, you'll never be able to call it a cake -- ever.

The cake (obstruction) never existed.  Therefore, there can be no ingredients (evidence) of it.


I think it is a fair question to ask why Mueller didn't focus more on the legitimacy of the report that started it all. Maybe there was enough evidence that could have led him to report back there is insufficient evidence to warrant an investigation but on the other hand if there remained a reasonable possibility that the allegation was true then I think, in this case, it is better to be safe than sorry. Take a rape case for example, there is rarely any proof that a rape actually happened, only an allegation but police still investigate it as if it were true. This may have been what Mueller was doing but its hard to know for sure since we didn't get an explanation out of him as far as I understand. Like I said, it is a fair question.

** He was on a witch hunt, plain and simple.  It was an obstruction trap.  The Dems hoped (believed) Trump would fall into the Nixon hole of obstruction and be impeached.  The big difference:  Nixon actually obstructed the investigation by having a portion of a tape (evidence) erased.  The assumption is that part of the tape was evidence of Nixon's knowledge of the break-in. 

Trump never colluded, conspired or coordinated with the Russians to interfere with the election.  There was no evidence to destroy.  There was no crime to cover up.  Trump knew the only crime the Dems could use is if he obstructed the investigation.

Most of the "acts" Mueller included in Vol II were lawful, Constitutional acts the President can perform, such as firing Comey and Mueller.  After the FBI IG investigation, it was Rosenstein who actually recommended Comey's firing.  And if Mueller was fired, the Special Counsel and its task would continue on under another appointee.  There is no way Trump could obstruct by firing Mueller.  The only way would be to tell the USAG to stop the investigation completely.  Never happened.

Volume II was a political smear job created by Dem loyalists on Mueller's team.  it never should have been created.


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2019, 10:13:01 AM »
Don't forget that Barr made the report unredacted and available to all members of congress, but to be kept and read only at a secure location.  Only 2 DNC congressmen showed up.  Maybe if the others read the report, then we wouldn't need Mueller's testimony.

Reminds me when your mom does your book report for you and then the teacher ask you questions about the book.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2019, 01:25:55 PM »
Don't forget that Barr made the report unredacted and available to all members of congress, but to be kept and read only at a secure location.  Only 2 DNC congressmen showed up.  Maybe if the others read the report, then we wouldn't need Mueller's testimony.

Reminds me when your mom does your book report for you and then the teacher ask you questions about the book.

I seriously believe Mueller was past time for retirement.  He should have never been appointed SC.  i think he was selected because Comey knew he could be easily manipulated by his team, and the team could be stacked with Clinton supporters and Trump haters.

Mueller may have been sharp in his younger years, but the performance he gave at the hearings was just sad.  I half expected to see a nurse interrupt to give him his meds.  Either he's in the beginning stages of dementia, or he's in need of a hearing aid and too narcissistic to wear it.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2019, 09:46:35 PM »
** Wrong.  The Special Counsel's duty was to the Attorney General, not Congress.  He was mandated to submit a CONFIDENTIAL REPORT TO THE USAG.  Period.  He did that, and Barr made the decision to make it public.  Congress is not part of the executive branch.  If they wanted to run things, they could have (and should have) formed a bi-partisan committee to do it, instead of letting the FBI investigate their own hoax.

That doesn't disprove anything I said. He did what he was supposed to. Congress called him to testify and he did. You are attacking Mueller for the actions of congress.


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** You're wrong.  Mueller said a lot of things, then contradicted himself, both verbally and in the report itself which was obviously drafted by someone other than Mueller.  You're trying to split hairs, as if actions alone that MIGHT BECOME evidence is actual evidence when it can't be -- by definition.

Just because you claim someone wrong doesn't make it so. You are the one splitting hairs. You are obviously looking at the report and the testimony with a desired outcome. Your assessment is anything but objective. Yes Mueller misspoke a few times, he even came back and corrected a comment. You clearly are trying to ignore that attempted crimes are real still real crimes.  Outside of a few bits Mueller was consistent and careful in his comments. At least a few of the comments he made that raises issues may be due to hearing issues. Both sides came at him asking questions they already knew the answer to and grandstanding. Mueller was smart in referring to his report so heavily so they couldn't try to trip him up. Its clear that is what the democrats and republicans were trying to do.


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The presumption of innocence requires evidence to establish all elements of a crime in order to charge the subject with that crime.  If Mueller finds 1, 2, or 3 elements, but no evidence of the 4th required element, it's as iff the first 3 do not exist, because without ALL the evidence of a crime, there WAS NO CRIME.  Taken separately, they are evidence of nothing more than the individual acts themselves.

Analogy:  I look in your fridge and cabinets and find butter, eggs, vanilla extract, sugar, baking powder, salt and buttermilk. All you're missing to make a tasty vanilla cake is flour. Can I call what you have a cake?  No.  Can I call those items cake ingredients?  No, not until they are mixed together and baked(assuming flour is added) or you tell me you intend to use them to make a cake.  (Most people intending to commit a crime don't give investigators the courtesy of stating their intentions.) You call them what they are -- individual items that MAY be used for any variety of things, including a cake.  But, without the flour, you'll never be able to call it a cake -- ever.
The cake (obstruction) never existed.  Therefore, there can be no ingredients (evidence) of it.

And what ingredient (element) do you say is missing in obstruction? You are assuming an element is missing just because Mueller didn't come out and say Trump committed obstruction.



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** He was on a witch hunt, plain and simple.  It was an obstruction trap.  The Dems hoped (believed) Trump would fall into the Nixon hole of obstruction and be impeached.  The big difference:  Nixon actually obstructed the investigation by having a portion of a tape (evidence) erased.  The assumption is that part of the tape was evidence of Nixon's knowledge of the break-in. 

There is no proof it was a witch hunt. Mueller didn't give the democrats a single bone and made them look foolish yet somehow you are still determined to attack Mueller. Why? because he didn't defend Trump strong enough?


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Trump never colluded, conspired or coordinated with the Russians to interfere with the election.  There was no evidence to destroy.  There was no crime to cover up.  Trump knew the only crime the Dems could use is if he obstructed the investigation.

How do you know that? Did you manage to prove a negative? I will point out that Mueller never said there was no evidence, only that there was insufficient evidence. See again, you are reading into it desiring a certain outcome.


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Most of the "acts" Mueller included in Vol II were lawful, Constitutional acts the President can perform, such as firing Comey and Mueller.  After the FBI IG investigation, it was Rosenstein who actually recommended Comey's firing.  And if Mueller was fired, the Special Counsel and its task would continue on under another appointee.  There is no way Trump could obstruct by firing Mueller.  The only way would be to tell the USAG to stop the investigation completely.  Never happened.
Volume II was a political smear job created by Dem loyalists on Mueller's team.  it never should have been created.

It would have never even became an issue if Trump didn't make the stupid comments he made, but be ready to have your mind blown... I actually agree that I don't think there is enough evidence to convict Trump of collusion. He was either smart enough or lucky enough that his comments managed to walk a fine line of gray area.
Again, if it were a witch hunt Mueller's testimony would have clearly been different. What guy holds a 2 year investigation to frame Trump and comes out of it not giving the democrats all the ammo they want? Mueller could have said something to sink Trump, to ensure he didn't get a second election but he didn't.
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ren

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2019, 10:01:00 PM »
Meuller was a racist.
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Muller Testimony to House Committee
« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2019, 02:29:39 AM »
Mueller was smart in referring to his report so heavily so they couldn't try to trip him up.

Smart?  More like dependent.  It apparently wasn't very hard to trip him up.   :rofl:



The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw