Liberals painting shooter as a WS and Trump supporter.  Despite the fact that he's a jew/latin.  Pretty sure the KKK wouldn't accept him.

Let's not forget his father was a psychiatrist who worked for the government at an asylum that has since been shut down.  He's one of few young active shooters who has a father figure in his life.

Pics show no additional mags.  Maybe he kept them in his pocket?  But someone who would wear ear pro, you would assume they would have mag pouches.  He must be a hell of a shot.  1, 30 rd mag, he killed 20 and wounded 30.

News outlets have 4 different pics of the "shooter".  And 1 pic from him in the back of a police car time stamped 11:45ish.  Live feed video of people on the ground have a time stamp of 12:30ish.

#nothingtoseeherebutmoretinfoil

El Paso’s Mayor is a Republican, and the Walmart was a gun free zone according to Fox News.   There were CCW individuals in the general area who did not engage the shooter.  One I particular was active duty Army and was in the adjacent shopping complex when the shooting started.  Pfc. Glendon Oakley stated his first reaction was to grab as many oarentless/lost kids as he could and get them out of danger.

70% of the county voted for Hillary.  Appears CCW is allowed, open carry might be banned at the Walmart.  The Army guy was kinda far away from the Walmart, good initiative nevertheless.

CCW is actually very low in El Paso but I'm sure there mustve been at least a couple carriers in the store.  But I wouldn't want to face an AK47 with a handgun.

70% of the county voted for Hillary.  Appears CCW is allowed, open carry might be banned at the Walmart.  The Army guy was kinda far away from the Walmart, good initiative nevertheless.

CCW is actually very low in El Paso but I'm sure there mustve been at least a couple carriers in the store.  But I wouldn't want to face an AK47 with a handgun.

I already decided in advance that I won't engage an active shooter to save the live of a stranger.  I would be putting my life in danger and my family needs me for financial security.to say the least.  It would be the complete opposite if I or a loved one was in danger.

I already decided in advance that I won't engage an active shooter to save the live of a stranger.  I would be putting my life in danger and my family needs me for financial security.to say the least.  It would be the complete opposite if I or a loved one was in danger.

Not to mention lawsuits brought upon yourself by the assholes family or themselves if they live.

Regarding taking on a shooter with an AK or AR with a handgun, I mention that when my wife is watching NCIS.  How come when they know they might engage armed bad guys, they usually go in with just a handgun and no body armor?  Less than half the time are they using body armor and rifles.  She tells me it is just a movie.  That Hollywood stuff creates a lot of falsehood like people thinking they are safe hiding behind a car body and not the engine block.

Read a post explaining why CCW didn't save the day.  El Paso is on the Mexican border so Mexicans are legally allowed to cross the border to shop, visit family, etc.  So lots of Mexicans in Walmart.  Also one of the lowest income cities and very liberal

CCW is not a reliable method of stopping active shooters. Sure, it is great to have if and when it happens but we can't treat it like it will prevent active shooters.

Some places will have higher or lower rates of CCW to be sure but CCW is still a is much more of a reactionary solution than a preventative solution. Kind of like a fire extinguisher. CCW can reduce the death toll but it isn't going to prevent mass shootings.

On top of that even if a certain percentage, lets say 5% at any given moment, was actually carrying there is a certain chance that they won't even engage. Even an armed cop failed to engage the shooter.

I am all for CCW but we have to be honest about what it will and won't bring to the party.

CCW is not a reliable method of stopping active shooters. Sure, it is great to have if and when it happens but we can't treat it like it will prevent active shooters.

Some places will have higher or lower rates of CCW to be sure but CCW is still a is much more of a reactionary solution than a preventative solution. Kind of like a fire extinguisher. CCW can reduce the death toll but it isn't going to prevent mass shootings.

On top of that even if a certain percentage, lets say 5% at any given moment, was actually carrying there is a certain chance that they won't even engage. Even an armed cop failed to engage the shooter.

I am all for CCW but we have to be honest about what it will and won't bring to the party.

A situation like this is going to be very dynamic and fluid with tons of different variables, can I intervene?  can I make an incapacitating shot without endangering anyone else? who and I with and what do i do about them?  In the end, no matter what choice I make, either to seek safety and flee or intervene, I’d much rather have a choice than not. 

A situation like this is going to be very dynamic and fluid with tons of different variables, can I intervene?  can I make an incapacitating shot without endangering anyone else? who and I with and what do i do about them?  In the end, no matter what choice I make, either to seek safety and flee or intervene, I’d much rather have a choice than not.

Oh absolutely