"Red flag" insanity! "A vigilant citizen" anonymously reported him to the FBI National Threat Operations Center (NTOC). I looked at 4 different stories about this case and couldn't find any description or link to the supposed dangerous meme. He was charged with 4 counts of possessing "large capacity magazines", even though he doesn't own a rifle... but apparently had possible access to those belonging to his father, which were seized.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/pre-crime-nation-college-student-arrested-stripped-of-firearms-for-posting-social-media-meme/

PRE-CRIME NATION: College Student Arrested, Stripped of Firearms for Posting Social Media Meme
Freedom of speech is dead in America, as the Orwellian nightmare escalates.

22-year-old Connecticut resident Brandon Wagshol was arrested on Friday for posting a meme on social media that authorities claim indicated he showed an interest in committing a mass shooting.

He was arrested after law enforcement received an anonymous tip about the meme, which prompted the arrest of Wagshol as pre-crime becomes a reality as the Bill of Rights becomes a fading memory.

“What I understand is that he didn’t make any comments on Facebook, but there might have been other memes, as they call it, that he might have re-posted, but he didn’t make a statement on Facebook as related to any mass shooting,” said Darnell Crosland, who is representing Wagshol as his attorney.

In addition, Wagshol’s firearms were seized under Connecticut’s red flag law – in what will become the new status quo across the country if federal lawmakers get their way. The firearms found in Crosland’s home were legal and registered to his father, but were taken anyway.

Wagshol’s bond has set at $250,000, and the judge won’t allow him to post it until after his next hearing on Sept. 6 in Stamford.

Wagshol is a student at Central Connecticut State University. They have banned him from the campus and suspended him indefinitely pending his charges.

“We have placed Brandon Wagshol on interim suspension pending further investigation. He is also banned from campus at this time,” the university said in a statement.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation National Threat Operations Center (NTOC) received a tip that Wagshol was attempting to purchase large capacity rifle magazines [30 round capacity] from out of state.

Charges: 4 counts of Illegal Possession of Large Capacity Magazines

Bond: $250,000

sounds like a bad rap

30 round AR mags are everywhere here and some idiot could easily blow the whistle and call a raid on KHSC on any weekend.

"Large" is a relative term with no legal meaning.

What's the difference between a LARGE SUV and a SMALL SUV?  Large & small pizza?  Large & small airplane?

Magazines need to be defined as "large" relative to some standard size.  Using such an ambiguous term leaves it up to the imagination / political agenda to make that determination.

An arbitrary capacity of 10 has been set as the maximum limit for mags in many places. NY tried and failed to make it 7 (failed because 7 round mags aren't produced for the majority of common caliber semi-autos).

10 is obviously not the cutoff between "not large" and "large" simply based on NY deciding on a different cutoff.  That proves the term is arbitrary and undefined.  Yet, they will persist in telling us all that anything over some imaginary limit is "large".

IIRC, the meme he posted was about the sith lord and talking about the alphabet boys and bogaloo.

CT is a blue state so can we expect any less?  Also IDK what their mag laws are, but they're more restricted than HI.

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An arbitrary capacity of 10 has been set as the maximum limit for mags in many places. NY tried and failed to make it 7 (failed because 7 round mags aren't produced for the majority of common caliber semi-autos).
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Yes, they rescinded the 7 round magazine CAPACITY law, but they kept in place the law stating that no more than 7 rounds could be in the magazine (or maybe it was 7 total, including a chambered round), of whatever capacity magazine. You can't fix stupid!

Yes, they rescinded the 7 round magazine CAPACITY law, but they kept in place the law stating that no more than 7 rounds could be in the magazine (or maybe it was 7 total, including a chambered round), of whatever capacity magazine. You can't fix stupid!

So, which has a more severe penalty:  discharging a firearm in city limits, or possessing a loaded handgun with more than 7 rds in the magazine?

I can think of a rapid method of getting 10 rounds down to 7 -- noisy, but rapid.

So, which has a more severe penalty:  discharging a firearm in city limits, or possessing a loaded handgun with more than 7 rds in the magazine?

I can think of a rapid method of getting 10 rounds down to 7 -- noisy, but rapid.

I'm pretty sure if you've been stopped by a cop and he asks to inspect your gun to count the rounds in the magazine and you then fire off three rounds, he'll still be able to do the addition, and it'll all be on his body cam. Plus, with the way things are going in New York in a few more years both crimes will be "life without parole", but only because they've gone soft on capital punishment... maybe in this sort of case (requiring commonsense gun safety laws) they'll make an exception and allow the death penalty.

I'm pretty sure if you've been stopped by a cop and he asks to inspect your gun to count the rounds in the magazine and you then fire off three rounds, he'll still be able to do the addition, and it'll all be on his body cam. Plus, with the way things are going in New York in a few more years both crimes will be "life without parole", but only because they've gone soft on capital punishment... maybe in this sort of case (requiring commonsense gun safety laws) they'll make an exception and allow the death penalty.

"Why were you discharging your weapon outside of the car before pulling over?"

"Discharge?  Oh!  You must have heard my car backfiring.  I got some bad gas a couple of days ago."

If we're talking NY, it's reasonable to assume everyone there, even the Cops, mistake backfires for shooting.   There's recent evidence to support that opinion. 

Play some EDC music while doing a car pop. "Sir. Its my rave lights going off"

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The article doesn't show what meme was posted. Hard to judge without knowing more about what he posted. A social media post can be a threat which is illegal and thus not a pre-crime. Have to follow the story and see what comes out of this one.

If it was found there was insufficient evidence to constitute a threat then they would probably have to drop any charges against him for high cap magazines due to evidence rules.

This is going to be just like the FBIʻs terrorist entrapment witch hunt where they started harassing middle eastern cab drivers with double digit IQs until they agree to transfer some kind of contraband for ridiculous amounts of money. It does not matter if the whole thing is a spectacle and no actual danger was averted. They need to justify their over inflated budgets at a time when skepticism is growing about their ability to keep citizens safe, especially given their recent track record as a deep state political weapon in their failed campaign against Trump.

The article doesn't show what meme was posted. Hard to judge without knowing more about what he posted. A social media post can be a threat which is illegal and thus not a pre-crime. Have to follow the story and see what comes out of this one.

If it was found there was insufficient evidence to constitute a threat then they would probably have to drop any charges against him for high cap magazines due to evidence rules.

His meme was a repost of the Sith Lord talking about boogaloo.

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I'm not going to post it for obvious reasons.

Kid arrested for posting on a chat board he's going to shoot up his school with his dads M-15 and kill 7 people. (Yes M-15.)

Sounds like he "rage quit" his game.

Cops showed up and arrested him.



But since he's not a gun owner, no "red flag" confiscation.  His mom does own a gun, and I don't think they took her gun.

Kid arrested for posting on a chat board he's going to shoot up his school with his dads M-15 and kill 7 people. (Yes M-15.)

Sounds like he "rage quit" his game.

Cops showed up and arrested him.

But since he's not a gun owner, no "red flag" confiscation.  His mom does own a gun, and I don't think they took her gun.

These parents, especially mothers it seems, are so fucking stupid when it comes to their kids. Like she could have any possible notion of what her kid might or might not do in the future... like tomorrow. You think the mother of the Sandy Hook murderer thought the day before, "Well, he is kinda weird. I wonder if he'll take my guns tomorrow and shoot me in the head while i sleep and then go kill a couple dozen kids and teachers at the school?" No. She was living in fantasy land. The most absurd example has always stuck with me. It was after the Watts riots, when some guy pulled Reginald Denny out of his truck that was stuck in a blockaded intersection and threw a concrete block on his head when he had already been beaten to the ground, suffering permanent brain damage. This event was captured on video by a news helicopter directly overhead, so the criminal was eventually arrested and tried and convicted. At the sentencing hearing his mother got up before the court and said "He's a good boy. He would never hurt anyone." No, seriously, she said that. People are fucking deluded.

Kid arrested for posting on a chat board he's going to shoot up his school with his dads M-15 and kill 7 people. (Yes M-15.)

Sounds like he "rage quit" his game.

Cops showed up and arrested him.



But since he's not a gun owner, no "red flag" confiscation.  His mom does own a gun, and I don't think they took her gun.

There is such a thing as a M-15.  It is a variant of an M-14 and used as a SAW.
Doubtful his dad would have one though.
Most states allow a 12yr old to get a hunting license, carry a gun, and kill game.
At least mine did when I was 12.
In the morning we got up, Grandma cooked breakfast, we grabbed our guns
and took off in separate directions. In the evening we came back hopefully
with our limits, and Grandma cooked some of the game for dinner and  stuck the rest
in the cooler. Rabbit, Quail, Doves, Deer, what ever the season was.
If you don't know the rules of most public conduct by age 10 regarding threats
and violence, there is something wrong with you!
I just don't know what they are going to fix by tossing the kid in jail.
I'd  bet they don't teach him the value of any life and why life is only taken
for food, personal safety, or the safety of others.
I'd bet they don't teach him gun safety and how to be safe with firearms.
The kid will just learn to hate cops, about prison rape, and why he needs to have
a better plan to get even.

These parents, especially mothers it seems, are so fucking stupid when it comes to their kids. Like she could have any possible notion of what her kid might or might not do in the future... like tomorrow. You think the mother of the Sandy Hook murderer thought the day before, "Well, he is kinda weird. I wonder if he'll take my guns tomorrow and shoot me in the head while i sleep and then go kill a couple dozen kids and teachers at the school?" No. She was living in fantasy land. The most absurd example has always stuck with me. It was after the Watts riots, when some guy pulled Reginald Denny out of his truck that was stuck in a blockaded intersection and threw a concrete block on his head when he had already been beaten to the ground, suffering permanent brain damage. This event was captured on video by a news helicopter directly overhead, so the criminal was eventually arrested and tried and convicted. At the sentencing hearing his mother got up before the court and said "He's a good boy. He would never hurt anyone." No, seriously, she said that. People are fucking deluded.

Riots you describe  were LA riots.
I remember Watts riots
these two riots were very different.
In Watts, Blacks were shot, killed and burned to death
Justifiably so as the fire dept can't put out a fire when
they are being shot at..
LA riots, Blacks had free run to do as they pleased, as
the Democrat union cops stood down.

As for the kid's mother she is obviously a "helicopter"
mother. 
My mother would have beat me to a pulp
in front of the cops, and knowing Texas cops they
would have been very slow to stop her eg.
saying "Please stop hitting your son"
about ten times,
then  "Stop hitting your son"
about ten times.
If she wasn't done by then they'd physically intervene.
That is what that kid needed not the Helicopter defense.

 

These parents, especially mothers it seems, are so fucking stupid when it comes to their kids. Like she could have any possible notion of what her kid might or might not do in the future... like tomorrow. You think the mother of the Sandy Hook murderer thought the day before, "Well, he is kinda weird. I wonder if he'll take my guns tomorrow and shoot me in the head while i sleep and then go kill a couple dozen kids and teachers at the school?" No. She was living in fantasy land. The most absurd example has always stuck with me. It was after the Watts riots, when some guy pulled Reginald Denny out of his truck that was stuck in a blockaded intersection and threw a concrete block on his head when he had already been beaten to the ground, suffering permanent brain damage. This event was captured on video by a news helicopter directly overhead, so the criminal was eventually arrested and tried and convicted. At the sentencing hearing his mother got up before the court and said "He's a good boy. He would never hurt anyone." No, seriously, she said that. People are fucking deluded.

It is a bit of a mystery why humans do it but at this point those things don't surprise me any more. For some reason human emotions seem to interfere with their ability to see things for what they are. No one wants to believe a loved one is capable of these bad things. Look how often domestic violence victims stick with their abusers. Michael Jackson fans didn't want to believe Michael could molest children. Maybe the arrest kid's mom will come to terms later but in the beginning she is probably in shock and just finds it too hard to believe.


I don't know if the Sandhook kid's mother had good reason to think her son would have gone postal or not but yes,  parents miss important signs and then don't want to face that they missed it either.

His meme was a repost of the Sith Lord talking about boogaloo.

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I'm not going to post it for obvious reasons.

I find that a little hard to believe.

I am sure he is coming up with some innocent sounding defense with his attorney.

I find that a little hard to believe.

I am sure he is coming up with some innocent sounding defense with his attorney.

Hard to believe that someone would get their guns consfiscated under a red flag law?

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Hard to believe that someone would get their guns consfiscated under a red flag law?

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I'm sure there was "due process" ... and stuff.