I agree generally but reserve judgement since I haven't seen the police report so I don't know what else the police knew before taking action.

I said nothing of the sort. I said threatening is a crime. If there is evidence of a threat then they don't need to wait for the person to carry out a threat/

Not necessarily, he could sue for wrongful arrest.

The same thing that happens in all arrest cases. It's not like arresting someone and detaining them for a few days upon probable cause of a crime having been committed is new territory.

What exactly was the crime committed?  What was the probable cause?  A meme -- something lots of people share and probably didn't create themselves? 

That's not probable cause.  That's a knee-jerk overreaction based on someone other than the police interpreting the meaning of the meme in the first place.

A threat requires a named target.  Who was the target named in the meme?  "The alphabet bois" are not a target of any threat.  The entire meme is hypothetical.  "When they bust through your door" makes the entire thing contingent on that situation ever happening.

Not even close to "probable cause" standards.

You're not serious are you? This is getting redonkulous.

I am joking of course but with the ability of sheeple be scared of everything and complain to police about it nothing would surprise me.

What exactly was the crime committed?  What was the probable cause?  A meme -- something lots of people share and probably didn't create themselves? 

That's not probable cause.  That's a knee-jerk overreaction based on someone other than the police interpreting the meaning of the meme in the first place.

A threat requires a named target.  Who was the target named in the meme?  "The alphabet bois" are not a target of any threat.  The entire meme is hypothetical.  "When they bust through your door" makes the entire thing contingent on that situation ever happening.

Not even close to "probable cause" standards.

I have checked a number of articles to see if I can find more information on specifics but there aren't a lot.

From what I have seen so far the law enforcement investigation started from a tip that this guy was going to bring illegal firearm magazines into the state. So there you have the crime in question. At some point during the investigation his facebook post was discovered and a search warrant was performed. I haven't found any mention whether the facebook post was part of the search warrant being granted or not.  The search warrant found illegal magazines and he was arrested for that. There isn't much other information about what police found.

So from what is available so far this is not a red flag case, not a pre-crime situation. The investigation was started a tip of an actual crime.

His father's firearms were confiscated as well

I have checked a number of articles to see if I can find more information on specifics but there aren't a lot.

From what I have seen so far the law enforcement investigation started from a tip that this guy was going to bring illegal firearm magazines into the state. So there you have the crime in question. At some point during the investigation his facebook post was discovered and a search warrant was performed. I haven't found any mention whether the facebook post was part of the search warrant being granted or not.  The search warrant found illegal magazines and he was arrested for that. There isn't much other information about what police found.

So from what is available so far this is not a red flag case, not a pre-crime situation. The investigation was started a tip of an actual crime.

Please cite your sources. 

You're making a statement of fact that the crime and probable cause existed.  Show where you found that proof.

I expect you to live up to your own rules of debate.

I have checked a number of articles to see if I can find more information on specifics but there aren't a lot.

From what I have seen so far the law enforcement investigation started from a tip that this guy was going to bring illegal firearm magazines into the state. So there you have the crime in question. At some point during the investigation his facebook post was discovered and a search warrant was performed. I haven't found any mention whether the facebook post was part of the search warrant being granted or not.  The search warrant found illegal magazines and he was arrested for that. There isn't much other information about what police found.

So from what is available so far this is not a red flag case, not a pre-crime situation. The investigation was started a tip of an actual crime.

Not true.  Use different "sources"

Please cite your sources. 

You're making a statement of fact that the crime and probable cause existed.  Show where you found that proof.

I expect you to live up to your own rules of debate.

Sure thing

This link seemed to provide the most detail in terms of the order of the investigation. Other articles made mentions of the same aspects of the case but didn't seem to cover the order.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/08/18/connecticut-man-interested-in-mass-shooting-arrested/

Sure thing

This link seemed to provide the most detail in terms of the order of the investigation. Other articles made mentions of the same aspects of the case but didn't seem to cover the order.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/08/18/connecticut-man-interested-in-mass-shooting-arrested/

The only thing the article says is he was attempting to buy magazines.   

What does that mean exactly?  He looked at mag warehouse on the internet?

The guy, IMO, didn't commit any crime whatsoever. 

This shit is getting out of hand, the whole Constitution is being shredded.

The only thing the article says is he was attempting to buy magazines.   

What does that mean exactly?  He looked at mag warehouse on the internet?

The guy, IMO, didn't commit any crime whatsoever. 

This shit is getting out of hand, the whole Constitution is being shredded.

Exactly my point, too.  Attempted purchase is not in the statutes.  Either you have them (unlawful possession) or you don't.

They had no "probable cause" to search for illegal mags because there was no report that he possessed illegal mags.  He was simply "shopping around" and could have just as easily decided "Oh, well. They're illegal here.  Never mind."  LE assumed he was planning the purchase because someone said he "was attempting" to buy.

I know a guy who was attempting to buy a machine gun.  I have no idea if he ever did.  Should I report him?

Meanwhile (from today's paper), a local gem like this guy is running around in public with a (no doubt) very lengthy criminal history and still managed, despite all the prohibiting laws here in Hawaii that you and I must obey, to get himself a machine gun. Go figure. So I guess now they'll put him on probation again so he can rack up another "probation violation" while hurting more innocent people.

Bronson Oili, 31, of Pahoa with auto theft, possession of an automatic firearm, felon in possession of a firearm, failure to appear and three counts of violating probation.

Meanwhile (from today's paper), a local gem like this guy is running around in public with a (no doubt) very lengthy criminal history and still managed, despite all the prohibiting laws here in Hawaii that you and I must obey, to get himself a machine gun. Go figure. So I guess now they'll put him on probation again so he can rack up another "probation violation" while hurting more innocent people.

Bronson Oili, 31, of Pahoa with auto theft, possession of an automatic firearm, felon in possession of a firearm, failure to appear and three counts of violating probation.

Bet he shops on wish...

The only thing the article says is he was attempting to buy magazines.   

What does that mean exactly?  He looked at mag warehouse on the internet?

The guy, IMO, didn't commit any crime whatsoever. 

This shit is getting out of hand, the whole Constitution is being shredded.

The article said the tip was that he was attempting to buy illegal magazines. That is enough for a law enforcement to open an investigation.

It says he was charged with possessing the magazines so I think they must have had an actual crime to charge him with in the end.

The real question in the trial will be how did they get from the initial tip to finding the illegal magazines and was it justified. The officers got a search warrant so they went through the proper process. This would then put the decision on the judge who signed off on the search warrant. Depending on how strong the case there are definitely a couple of points his defense attorney could attack.

Exactly my point, too.  Attempted purchase is not in the statutes.  Either you have them (unlawful possession) or you don't.

They had no "probable cause" to search for illegal mags because there was no report that he possessed illegal mags.  He was simply "shopping around" and could have just as easily decided "Oh, well. They're illegal here.  Never mind."  LE assumed he was planning the purchase because someone said he "was attempting" to buy.

Wow, the HPD paid troll sure is excited about this case, must be viewed with much eagerness down in the HPD squad bays.

Wow, the HPD paid troll sure is excited about this case, must be viewed with much eagerness down in the HPD squad bays.

Good thing no one here violates any of the many unconstitutional Hawaii anti-Second Amendment-protected rights laws, nor even posts anything resembling a thought or desire to violate them. We're all obedient subjects, bowing in servility before our beloved masters.

The article said the tip was that he was attempting to buy illegal magazines. That is enough for a law enforcement to open an investigation.

It says he was charged with possessing the magazines so I think they must have had an actual crime to charge him with in the end.

The real question in the trial will be how did they get from the initial tip to finding the illegal magazines and was it justified. The officers got a search warrant so they went through the proper process. This would then put the decision on the judge who signed off on the search warrant. Depending on how strong the case there are definitely a couple of points his defense attorney could attack.

They got a "tip" like how for 2.5 years the fake news said "credible source" for Russian collusion.  I wanna see who gave that tip, if anything, it would have to be someone he knows or has a relationship with (friends, family, classmates, forum SN's, etc...)  $20 says it was an annonomist call to 911.

So even if the "tip" was bogus, he still is arrested and his property taken.  It will cost him money to defend himself and to get any guns back.  Also he was expelled from school too right?  So either way, he's screwed for the rest of his life.  But also, he should not have done anything illegal, like purchase standard capacity magazines.  He knew the law and broke it.  Regardless of how he got caught, it opened the door.

But in the end, the mags don't matter, it all started with the meme and red flag law.  PD got lucky when they searched his home and needs a story to cover themselves.  Like I said, all my sources state red flag and not that a tip was given or he tried to buy standard capacity mags.  And I have more trust in my intel than the mainstream media.

They got a "tip" like how for 2.5 years the fake news said "credible source" for Russian collusion.  I wanna see who gave that tip, if anything, it would have to be someone he knows or has a relationship with (friends, family, classmates, forum SN's, etc...)  $20 says it was an annonomist call to 911.

So even if the "tip" was bogus, he still is arrested and his property taken.  It will cost him money to defend himself and to get any guns back.  Also he was expelled from school too right?  So either way, he's screwed for the rest of his life.  But also, he should not have done anything illegal, like purchase standard capacity magazines.  He knew the law and broke it.  Regardless of how he got caught, it opened the door.

But in the end, the mags don't matter, it all started with the meme and red flag law.  PD got lucky when they searched his home and needs a story to cover themselves.  Like I said, all my sources state red flag and not that a tip was given or he tried to buy standard capacity mags.  And I have more trust in my intel than the mainstream media.

Some Cops make their own luck by guaranteeing they find what they are looking for whether it's drugs, firearms with serials removed or, in this case, >10 rd mags.

I'm sure none of the Cops requisitioned new magazines the day after the search...


A Florida cop planted meth on random drivers, police say.
One lost custody of his daughter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/11/florida-cop-meth-drugs-arrests-scandal/


Former Houston officer accused of lying to get warrant
faces murder charges after botched raid

Goines obtained a warrant for a "no knock" raid from a municipal judge under false pretenses, which included
claiming a criminal informant purchased heroin from a man at the address the day before and that the man
selling drugs was known to have a gun, among other things, which meant there was no need for police to
knock on a door before entering, [Harris County District Attorney Kim] Ogg said.

Ogg said that because two people died while Goines was allegedly committing a felony -- tampering with a
government record by obtaining one under false pretenses -- he was charged with two counts of felony murder
in the deaths. She indicated a grand jury could consider capital charges.

Bryant was charged with evidence tampering because he provided a supplement to the original report after
the raid which contained falsehoods, authorities said. The officer allegedly said he had previously assisted
Goines in the investigation of the home and that during the investigation he found baggies with a brown
substance he believed to be heroin that matched the heroin purchased by an informant prior to the raid, Ogg
said.

Good thing no one here violates any of the many unconstitutional Hawaii anti-Second Amendment-protected rights laws, nor even posts anything resembling a thought or desire to violate them. We're all obedient subjects, bowing in servility before our beloved masters.

I'll bet money us BI guys irritate Oahu people.
I sometimes think we'd be better off under a monarchy than
under the rule of Democrats.
Americans had lots of modern( in their day) weapons when ruled
by a king. Today in Hawaii we are essentially dis-armed
and have to depend on Police 20 or more minutes away
for protection, which legally they don't have to provide.
Eff you Oahu.  I won't cry when you get nuked.

I'll bet money us BI guys irritate Oahu people.
I sometimes think we'd be better off under a monarchy than
under the rule of Democrats.
Americans had lots of modern( in their day) weapons when ruled
by a king. Today in Hawaii we are essentially dis-armed
and have to depend on Police 20 or more minutes away
for protection, which legally they don't have to provide.
Eff you Oahu.  I won't cry when you get nuked.

Dummy, going miss us and fall out gonna hit u guys. 

Dummy, going miss us and fall out gonna hit u guys. 

I'm pretty sure anybody that can make a rocket, a bomb,
and send it someplace won't waste their time on me.

Pearl Harbor is a well known destination.
King street offices even better!
Aloha.

They got a "tip" like how for 2.5 years the fake news said "credible source" for Russian collusion.  I wanna see who gave that tip, if anything, it would have to be someone he knows or has a relationship with (friends, family, classmates, forum SN's, etc...)  $20 says it was an annonomist call to 911.

So even if the "tip" was bogus, he still is arrested and his property taken.  It will cost him money to defend himself and to get any guns back.  Also he was expelled from school too right?  So either way, he's screwed for the rest of his life.  But also, he should not have done anything illegal, like purchase standard capacity magazines.  He knew the law and broke it.  Regardless of how he got caught, it opened the door.

But in the end, the mags don't matter, it all started with the meme and red flag law.  PD got lucky when they searched his home and needs a story to cover themselves.  Like I said, all my sources state red flag and not that a tip was given or he tried to buy standard capacity mags.  And I have more trust in my intel than the mainstream media.

At this point you are speculating as the articles really don't give much detail to go off of. Police get tips all the time and use those tips to solve crimes, including tips from unknown individuals. Sometimes the tip is truly anonymous, sometimes it comes from someone who meets the cop but doesn't give their name, and sometimes it is someone giving a detailed statement. Ultimately the court will end up judging how much weight to give the tip in terms of justifying what the officers did next.

And according to the articles I have read on the story, it did not start with the meme or the red flag law. We can speculate and assume it was a fake anonymous tip, an illegal search, a falsified police report, and fear over a meme but there is no evidence to support any of that at this point.