Here’s the link:

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/10/05/man-kills-home-intruder-ewa-shooting-according-police-sources/

Man fuck Hawaii media. You can just feel in the article that they are trying to make the intruder with the knife the victim and the homeowner the scary psychopath with a gun.

Not only media, but our LEO and Prosecutor will try to convict him of murder because he used a gun.  That is why I feel it is vitally important to carry insurance for these types of incidents.  Without it, you could be financially ruined even if you are found not guilty.

The media's tone in the article suggested that it's normal for a stranger to trespass with a knife. seemingly implying that the stranger had a right to be on your property 

Man fuck Hawaii media. You can just feel in the article that they are trying to make the intruder with the knife the victim and the homeowner the scary psychopath with a gun.

But didn’t you know that if you bring a knife to a fight, it’s not fair to bring a gun???

But didn’t you know that if you bring a knife to a fight, it’s not fair to bring a gun???

Fair enough?

The paramedics came. After that, just literally the whole neighborhood also heard two gunshots.”

Dunno where that statement came from, but it smells like shiite.  Shooting after the paramedics showed up?

Or just the usual grade school level Hawaii unirnalists.

Original headline was "homeowner arrested and charged with murder". HNN then changed it to what it reads now.

Fake news at its finest.

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Sounds like a good shoot however I wait for more info before passing judgement.  Sometimes things aren't what they seem.

One thing that concerns me is why he opened the door.

Sounds like a good shoot however I wait for more info before passing judgement.  Sometimes things aren't what they seem.

One thing that concerns me is why he opened the door.

He didn't want to ruin a good door by shooting through it.

Original headline was "homeowner arrested and charged with murder". HNN then changed it to what it reads now.

Fake news at its finest.

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Not necessarily fake news. Details are ALWAYS muddy in the early hours of an investigation.
Sometimes details are muddy after YEARS of investigation.
HPD now says it's a "murder investigation", but the homeowner was released.

When these kinds of stories come out, you never really know anything for sure.

It is my understanding that police arrest
everybody that uses a gun in a Homicide.
Even if it is obviously self defense. 
They confiscate the  gun and any
in the house.  It  will take years and thousands
of dollars to get the guns back.
Even if  charges are not brought
and the shooter is freed..

It is my understanding that police arrest
everybody that uses a gun in a Homicide.
Even if it is obviously self defense. 
They confiscate the  gun and any
in the house.  It  will take years and thousands
of dollars to get the guns back.
Even if  charges are not brought
and the shooter is freed..

....
Which is why I don't invest much money in any defensive gun.

Things I'd like to know about this case...

What was the shot guy doing...making threats, advancing towards the shooter, drunk, crazy, stealing stuff.

Where was the knife...in his hand, on his belt, on a backpack.

Where was the guy...next to the door, at a distance.

Why did he open the door and not just call the police to take care of it

Do they know each other?

A bad outcome would be if it was a regular chronic in the area with a knife on his belt and the homeowner said screw it I'll make him an example.  Or at least that's what the prosecutor would say.  Not worth shooting or getting involved unless your life is truly at stake and it's a last resort.  Going to be very expensive for the shooter with the attorneys fees, civil lawsuit, possibility of losing his job, and strain on the family

Things I'd like to know about this case...

What was the shot guy doing...making threats, advancing towards the shooter, drunk, crazy, stealing stuff.

Where was the knife...in his hand, on his belt, on a backpack.

Where was the guy...next to the door, at a distance.

Why did he open the door and not just call the police to take care of it

Do they know each other?

A bad outcome would be if it was a regular chronic in the area with a knife on his belt and the homeowner said screw it I'll make him an example.  Or at least that's what the prosecutor would say.  Not worth shooting or getting involved unless your life is truly at stake and it's a last resort.  Going to be very expensive for the shooter with the attorneys fees, civil lawsuit, possibility of losing his job, and strain on the family

Most normal people don't barricade their bedroom door and call 911 when they hear a noise.  If they have protection, they're going to investigate before involving the Cops.  Could be the wind blowing the blinds around.

Secondly, if there is an actual intruder, he's going to wish I'd called the Cops.

My home -- my castle. 

Hawaii doesn't have a castle doctrine  or stand your ground laws..... after all this state is democratically run. 

Hawaii doesn't have a castle doctrine  or stand your ground laws..... after all this state is democratically run. 

I'm not a lawyer, but this guy says he is ...

Most states, including Hawaii, have adopted laws based on the Castle Doctrine, which permits the use of
reasonable force, including deadly force, in order to protect one’s own life or another’s life
when at home, or in their “castle,” without being liable to prosecution.

The difference between the Castle Doctrine type of law enacted by Hawaii and the Stand Your Ground law in
Florida and at least 21 other states is that here in Hawaii we have a duty to try to retreat to safety before using
deadly force if we are not on our own property or at work.

https://www.davidserenolaw.com/knowing-your-rights-self-defense-laws-in-hawaii/

If you can avoid the necessity of force by retreating to complete safety or by complying with a demand(with exceptions)

So, if Rufus says "gibsmedat" you are not allowed to defend yourself?

If you can avoid the necessity of force by retreating to complete safety or by complying with a demand(with exceptions)

So, if Rufus says "gibsmedat" you are not allowed to defend yourself?

If Rufus is in your house/on your property/at work, then you don't have to comply with Rufus' demands nor retreat to safety.  That would be at your discretion.

You always have choices.  The problem is, you're choosing under duress and on-the-spot.  The prosecutor will be sitting in an office reading a police report while second-guessing your decisions, motivations, and their chances of getting a conviction.