Trump Impeachment Proceedings (Read 78214 times)

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #80 on: December 17, 2019, 05:15:40 PM »
and then right after Pelosi announced USMCA, she unveiled the healthcare bill that the house passed on party lines
my thought is that the republicans are holding up the senate vote on USMCA and going to use the zero year thing as a negotiating point against the healthcare bill
They were talking about USMCA this morning in the context of how much work it takes to negotiate deals with countries.  That Trump didn't really do anything substantial as he was only renegotiating terms of a previous agreement. 

Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #81 on: December 18, 2019, 05:35:05 AM »
They were talking about USMCA this morning in the context of how much work it takes to negotiate deals with countries.  That Trump didn't really do anything substantial as he was only renegotiating terms of a previous agreement.
That Trump didn’t do anything substantial is a liberal talking point. Technically speaking USMCA is similar to NAFTA. But the negotiating stronger terms that are more favorable to the US is harder than changing a few numbers on a contract. Trump deserves ALL of the credit for the tough fight we are in to get these countries to sign an agreement that basically takes money out of their pockets and like it. He is brutal when it comes to negotiating. Just look at China. Their economy is hurt bad by this fight we are in. And its not over. JMHO
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

macsak

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #82 on: December 18, 2019, 07:05:54 AM »
That Trump didn’t do anything substantial is a liberal talking point. Technically speaking USMCA is similar to NAFTA. But the negotiating stronger terms that are more favorable to the US is harder than changing a few numbers on a contract. Trump deserves ALL of the credit for the tough fight we are in to get these countries to sign an agreement that basically takes money out of their pockets and like it. He is brutal when it comes to negotiating. Just look at China. Their economy is hurt bad by this fight we are in. And its not over. JMHO

trump deserves no credit because orange man bad

Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #83 on: December 18, 2019, 07:12:55 AM »
trump deserves no credit because orange man bad
I think he looks a little more burnt orange today. But that's just me.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #84 on: December 18, 2019, 07:21:50 AM »
Actually, I am quite sad today. This is due to the fact that the president will be impeached. If not today then tomorrow. But still I feel it is a sad day for us here in the US. When Billy Bob Clinton was impeached I was glad he was and I was happy he was not removed from office. I felt then, as I still do that it would have hurt the US more to remove him than it did by letting him serve the rest of his term. I felt Nixon should have been impeached and removed. But he left before that occurred. It is just so sad that our party politics has come down to this where one party feels like they have to make shit up and go thru the process of impeachment in order to remove a political rival whom they despise. What a shame our party politics has come down to this. Shameful.  :'( :'( :'(
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #85 on: December 18, 2019, 07:48:14 AM »
That Trump didn’t do anything substantial is a liberal talking point. Technically speaking USMCA is similar to NAFTA. But the negotiating stronger terms that are more favorable to the US is harder than changing a few numbers on a contract. Trump deserves ALL of the credit for the tough fight we are in to get these countries to sign an agreement that basically takes money out of their pockets and like it. He is brutal when it comes to negotiating. Just look at China. Their economy is hurt bad by this fight we are in. And its not over. JMHO
The discussion was on NPR’s Morning sedition, so yeah, it was definitely from a biased viewpoint and spreading of opinion as “fact”. I’m sure we’ll see/hear more of that.

And don’t let the blue solo cups fool you.  :P

I don’t know all of the details of the negotiation for USMCA, but analysts have broken down some of Trump’s past tactics and laid out the method to his madness. Not quite shock and awe, but strong negotiation. As it turns out in many cases, seemingly China included IMO as well, has appeared to be effective.

trump deserves no credit because orange man bad
You’re just jealous of his hair  ;D

macsak

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #86 on: December 18, 2019, 07:54:55 AM »
You’re just jealous of his hair  ;D

heads

macsak

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #87 on: December 18, 2019, 07:55:27 AM »
The discussion was on NPR’s Morning sedition, so yeah, it was definitely from a biased viewpoint and spreading of opinion as “fact”. I’m sure we’ll see/hear more of that.

morning sedition is about right...

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #88 on: December 18, 2019, 07:57:36 AM »
morning sedition is about right...
Clips

Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #89 on: December 18, 2019, 08:13:24 AM »
The discussion was on NPR’s Morning sedition, so yeah, it was definitely from a biased viewpoint and spreading of opinion as “fact”. I’m sure we’ll see/hear more of that.

What they are saying about the 2 agreements being similar but with different numbers is not that far off except there is a lot more that they are not saying. In the USMCA are protections for the US (some of which are in NAFTA) but in the USMCA they are not only more comprehensive, they are much more specific, there are a lot more of them, but the biggie is that they are enforceable. There are no provisions in NAFTA to successfully enforce the weak protections that are in there. That is HUGE. But of course he doesn't get credit for it. Lying by omission is still lying.

Also, even tho the numbers have changed, some of those numbers are going to hurt the economies of China mostly and Mexico to some extent and of course, Canada. It forces them to pay minimum wages to workers in factories owned by American companies and in factories that make products for the American markets. Combine this with the enforcement protections written into the agreements and that is going to make American companies think twice before they build new factories in or buy from factories in those countries. Especially since the corporate tax liabilities have been reduced in America. Combine those and you have American companies bringing back manufacturing to the US and protections for those factory workers in the other countries. No more child labor and 15 cents/hour wages for making Nikes without being able to have some recourse.

And don’t let the blue solo cups fool you.  :P

RINO!!!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I don’t know all of the details of the negotiation for USMCA, but analysts have broken down some of Trump’s past tactics and laid out the method to his madness. Not quite shock and awe, but strong negotiation. As it turns out in many cases, seemingly China included IMO as well, has appeared to be effective.

Yes, the tariffs on China and threats of tariffs to Canada and Mexico have been VERY effective. But even more so is his standing firm and negotiating from a place of power. VERY VERY EFFECTIVE. Everyone knows he means what he says. That is REAL power.

You’re just jealous of his hair  ;D
You are right.  :o :o :o
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #90 on: December 18, 2019, 08:36:32 AM »
What they are saying about the 2 agreements being similar but with different numbers is not that far off except there is a lot more that they are not saying. In the USMCA are protections for the US (some of which are in NAFTA) but in the USMCA they are not only more comprehensive, they are much more specific, there are a lot more of them, but the biggie is that they are enforceable. There are no provisions in NAFTA to successfully enforce the weak protections that are in there. That is HUGE. But of course he doesn't get credit for it. Lying by omission is still lying.

Also, even tho the numbers have changed, some of those numbers are going to hurt the economies of China mostly and Mexico to some extent and of course, Canada. It forces them to pay minimum wages to workers in factories owned by American companies and in factories that make products for the American markets. Combine this with the enforcement protections written into the agreements and that is going to make American companies think twice before they build new factories in or buy from factories in those countries. Especially since the corporate tax liabilities have been reduced in America. Combine those and you have American companies bringing back manufacturing to the US and protections for those factory workers in the other countries. No more child labor and 15 cents/hour wages for making Nikes without being able to have some recourse.

RINO!!!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yes, the tariffs on China and threats of tariffs to Canada and Mexico have been VERY effective. But even more so is his standing firm and negotiating from a place of power. VERY VERY EFFECTIVE. Everyone knows he means what he says. That is REAL power.
You are right.  :o :o :o
Someone is wide awake this morning!

I’ll get there... 😜

Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #91 on: December 18, 2019, 08:56:00 AM »
Someone is wide awake this morning!

I’ll get there... 😜
Hurry up!!! The caffeine is wearing off!!!  :shake: :shake: :shake:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #92 on: December 18, 2019, 09:07:57 AM »
Hurry up!!! The caffeine is wearing off!!!  :shake: :shake: :shake:
Up the dosage.

Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #93 on: December 18, 2019, 09:11:27 AM »
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

6716J

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #94 on: December 18, 2019, 09:12:09 AM »
OMG listening to San Fran Nans opening statement and about to gag. She talks about God, defending the Constitution and the Republic. So many things I could say, but instead I just hang my head and want to cry.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #95 on: December 18, 2019, 09:14:59 AM »
OMG listening to San Fran Nans opening statement and about to gag. She talks about God, defending the Constitution and the Republic. So many things I could say, but instead I just hang my head and want to cry.
I heard another Dem rant about oath to defend the constitution and I wanted to 🤮

macsak

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #96 on: December 18, 2019, 09:52:40 AM »
OMG listening to San Fran Nans opening statement and about to gag. She talks about God, defending the Constitution and the Republic. So many things I could say, but instead I just hang my head and want to cry.

she wearing black because she's in mourning

I wish I was joking...

6716J

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #97 on: December 18, 2019, 10:00:09 AM »
she wearing black because she's in mourning

I wish I was joking...

I wish you were too....
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

6716J

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #98 on: December 18, 2019, 10:03:11 AM »
She should be worrying about this instead...

Don't lose your lunch....

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/man-caught-pooping-in-aisle-of-san-francisco-safeway/





I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #99 on: December 18, 2019, 11:44:49 AM »
Listened to about 20 mins of coverage on my way to get lunch. Logic and facts vs emotion and allegations... 🤮