Coronavirus from China (Read 138023 times)

RSN172

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #160 on: February 28, 2020, 09:18:09 AM »
Geneva Auto Show cancelled after the cars and a lot of attendees already there.  Coronavirus fears and panic buying.
Happily living in Puna

groveler

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #161 on: February 28, 2020, 12:03:14 PM »
Nice!  Sales on Corona soon!
Corona beer is pretty lame.  I'm a Dos Equis dark
guy.
Buenos Tardes.

changemyoil66

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #162 on: February 28, 2020, 07:29:28 PM »
Geneva Auto Show cancelled after the cars and a lot of attendees already there.  Coronavirus fears and panic buying.
Some major bicycle race also cancelled in europe. Not tour de france

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Inspector

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #163 on: March 01, 2020, 07:12:18 AM »
First recorded death in the U.S. from this virus. That is 1 out of 69 reported cases here. I know there are not enough reported cases for any realistic numbers but 1 out of 69 is 1.4% death rate for those who are diagnosed. I am sure that will increase as the number of reported cases increases. But, still, 1.4% is sort of what I would expect here in the U.S. So far the corona virus has killed 2% of those who contract it worldwide.
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changemyoil66

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #164 on: March 01, 2020, 08:16:53 AM »
What is the % if 100k people died from the virus?

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Inspector

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #165 on: March 01, 2020, 09:17:10 AM »
What is the % if 100k people died from the virus?

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Well, hopefully it won’t go over the current 2% worldwide no matter how many die from the virus. Even better the percentage would go down. I was thinking if worldwide the death rate was 2% then here in the US we would probably be around 1.5%. The issue is that we only have 69 cases of infection to use as case study. That is not really enough to say that the current rate of 1.4% is an accurate number.
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changemyoil66

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #166 on: March 01, 2020, 06:33:56 PM »
2nd person in WA died.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #167 on: March 01, 2020, 06:54:13 PM »
2nd person in WA died.

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The first fatality was a man in his 50s with preexisting health problems.  Second was in his 70s and also with underlying health problems.

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In a statement, Public Health-Seattle & King County said a man in his 70s died Saturday. On Friday, health officials
said a man in his 50s died of coronavirus. Both had underlying health conditions, and both were being treated at a
hospital in Kirkland, Washington, east of Seattle.

Washington state now has 12 confirmed cases.

https://abc7ny.com/health/coronavirus-outbreak-washington-state-health-officials-report-2nd-us-death/5978117/


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Older patients and people with preexisting health conditions face the highest risk of dying from the new coronavirus,
a recent study found.

The study, done by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, found that the overall chances of dying
from COVID-19 — the disease caused by the virus — are 2.3%. Other estimates suggest the fatality rate could be
higher: around 4.3%. The current rate, based on the ratio of reported deaths to total cases worldwide, hovers around
3.4%.

But the Chinese CDC study found that the fatality rate rate rose to 8% for patients in their 70s and 15% among those
in their 80s. Out of more than 44,000 coronavirus patients studied, the majority of deaths were among those at least 60
or older.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rates-preexisting-conditions-heart-disease-cancer-2020-2
« Last Edit: March 01, 2020, 06:59:29 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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oldfart

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #168 on: March 01, 2020, 10:11:13 PM »
What, Me Worry?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #169 on: March 02, 2020, 12:08:04 AM »
How many people die from influenza? A lot.

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

Right, but the raw number of people who died to date or annually can't be compared.  Have to look at the rate of deaths per infected, speed and ease of transmission, incubation periods, hosts (apparently dogs can get this new one), and ability of hospitals to treat patients in addition to their normal workload/bed space.

Coronavirus is actually the name of a family of viruses that includes MERS and SARS.  It's just bad media reporting that nicknamed this specific strain, COVID-19, "coronavirus".  Maybe if they could have thought of "Covfefe," they would have.   :rofl:

Coronaviruses have been researched since the 1960s.  Yet, the media wants us to believe it's some new virus that Trump helped create and spread.

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There are hundreds of coronaviruses, most of which circulate among animals including pigs, camels, bats and cats.
Sometimes those viruses jump to humans—called a spillover event—and can cause disease. Seven coronaviruses
are known to cause human disease, four of which are mild: viruses 229E, OC43, NL63 and HKU1. Three of the
coronaviruses can have more serious outcomes in people, and those diseases are SARS (severe acute respiratory
syndrome) which emerged in late 2002 and disappeared by 2004; MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome), which
emerged in 2012 and remains in circulation in camels; and COVID-19, which emerged in December 2019 from China
and a global effort is under way to contain its spread. COVID-19 is caused by the coronavirus known as SARS-CoV-2.

Thanks to research investments into the SARS and MERS outbreaks, NIAID scientists and grantees are better prepared
to develop diagnostics, therapeutics and vaccines against COVID-19. Included in those projects are basic research to
understand how the virus infects cells and causes disease; adapting platforms used to develop diagnostic tests and
vaccines; and evaluating treatments such as broad-spectrum antivirals and potentially monoclonal antibodies.

In fact, within two weeks of the discovery of COVID-19, NIAID researchers had determined how the virus enters cells.

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronaviruses
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #170 on: March 02, 2020, 05:17:08 AM »
As soon as we are able to start getting test kits for the virus into more hands you will probably see big chunks or people reportedly having the virus. Some are saying hundreds and some are saying thousands overnight. So theoretically, we probably already have infected in the thousands, we just don’t know it yet. I just think it is bad how the market is just panicking and predicting economic gloom and doom. I’m not saying it won’t happen but it’s not a pandemic yet.
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Inspector

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #171 on: March 02, 2020, 06:48:52 AM »
I wasn't able to post about the market earlier. But as I write this the market is up big. Up almost 600 points or 2.33%. I don't know if this is a bounce or the floor where we just go up from here. But the Futures market was swinging wildly positive to negative and back again almost a 1,000 point swing. So the markets are still volatile. Buying opportunities abound. Especially Apple if that is what you are into.

The word is this rebound is probably due to the rumor (or news leak) that the FED is going to drop the rate a quarter of half point and might do some Quantitative Easing. The rate drop I like but the QE is harmful to our economy in the long run. If the markets stay up today and close like this we'll have to wait to see if it is just a bounce or the floor from last weeks losses. Either way, the economy is still strong and the virus is still spreading. Stay tuned...
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Rocky

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #172 on: March 02, 2020, 07:05:38 AM »
I wasn't able to post about the market earlier. But as I write this the market is up big. Up almost 600 points or 2.33%. I don't know if this is a bounce or the floor where we just go up from here. But the Futures market was swinging wildly positive to negative and back again almost a 1,000 point swing. So the markets are still volatile. Buying opportunities abound. Especially Apple if that is what you are into.

The word is this rebound is probably due to the rumor (or news leak) that the FED is going to drop the rate a quarter of half point and might do some Quantitative Easing. The rate drop I like but the QE is harmful to our economy in the long run. If the markets stay up today and close like this we'll have to wait to see if it is just a bounce or the floor from last weeks losses. Either way, the economy is still strong and the virus is still spreading. Stay tuned...
Check out Inovus and others working on vaccine, especially the Australian Co which would have no FDA wait time.  :wave:
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drck1000

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #173 on: March 02, 2020, 08:12:21 AM »
As soon as we are able to start getting test kits for the virus into more hands you will probably see big chunks or people reportedly having the virus. Some are saying hundreds and some are saying thousands overnight. So theoretically, we probably already have infected in the thousands, we just don’t know it yet. I just think it is bad how the market is just panicking and predicting economic gloom and doom. I’m not saying it won’t happen but it’s not a pandemic yet.
I'm thinking this is the case.  That many infected either have mild symptoms or symptoms written off as the "common flu".  That now that there are faster tests (CT scans) besides the "official" CDC confirmation, that the numbers will rise.  I think the same thing happened in China and what CDC mentioned as the typical evolution when a new virus/infection/etc comes up. 

I think it is already a pandemic, just hopefully not quite a serious as many are making it out to be.  People are losing their damn minds! 

drck1000

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #174 on: March 02, 2020, 08:14:19 AM »
Check out Inovus and others working on vaccine, especially the Australian Co which would have no FDA wait time.  :wave:
I bought Purell and Charmin  :rofl:

changemyoil66

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #175 on: March 02, 2020, 10:08:18 AM »
The flu season doesn't bother me, but what does is the possible lack of accurate numbers from China.  They claim only 80K infected and 2K deaths.  But you don't build 3 hospitals in 10 days for those small numbers.  You don't have dioxide reports sky rocket if you're only burning 2K bodies.  The dioxide reports estimate it would take the crematories working 24/7 which means 100K bodies are being burned.  You don't bring in mobile crematories for 2K deaths just for "medical waste".  You don't drag people out of their homes by force for 80K infected.

All these are what are causing my speculation for China to be hiding info.  And the 2 layers of tinfoil that I'm using now.

Inspector

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #176 on: March 02, 2020, 11:47:24 AM »
WOW! Just WOW! The stock market seemed to shrug off all the Corona Virus panic and it closed up almost 1,300 points over 5%. Apple up 25 over 9% to 298.81. I suspected this would happen but just not today and not this much. I think the big thing is now let's wait and see how quickly China can recover its manufacturing and supply lines. If they can come back significantly in a month or less you will see the stock market respond significantly.  :thumbsup:
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ren

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #177 on: March 02, 2020, 01:54:12 PM »
DOn't remember a panic in 2009 over H1N1
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Inspector

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #178 on: March 02, 2020, 02:33:10 PM »
DOn't remember a panic in 2009 over H1N1
I remember that pandemic. Obama took 6 months to declare a state of emergency. After 100’s if not 1,000 US citizens had already died. Around 12k US citizens died from the Swine Flu. I don’t remember the market tanking like it did last week?

It is obvious to me the difference between then and now is social media and the main stream media. They are willing to play to the emotions of the uninformed and divide the country in order to try and hurt the president.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Rocky

Re: Coronavirus from China
« Reply #179 on: March 02, 2020, 03:03:20 PM »
As soon as we are able to start getting test kits for the virus into more hands you will probably see big chunks or people reportedly having the virus. Some are saying hundreds and some are saying thousands overnight. So theoretically, we probably already have infected in the thousands, we just don’t know it yet. I just think it is bad how the market is just panicking and predicting economic gloom and doom. I’m not saying it won’t happen but it’s not a pandemic yet.
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Date: February 29, 2020 at 5:16:40 PM HST
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Hawai‘i Department of Health (DOH) is now capable of in-state testing for COVID-19 and results can be ready within 24-48 hours of a sample being collected. This is a new, major development that enhances the state’s prevention and mitigation response capabilities to further safeguard the health of the people in Hawai‘i.

Previously, the state had earlier reported that testing capacity would not be ready until early next week. The DOH State Laboratories Division staff worked closely with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) around the clock to receive approval from the CDC and complete the validation process to move forward with the testing procedure in Hawai‘i.

No cases of COVID-19 identified in Hawai‘i at this time

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COVID-19 Summary of Numbers as of Feb. 29, 2020
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Updating physician guidance and criteria for persons under investigation

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