Look at BJ Baldwin as an example.  He went shooting yesterday to get some range therapy.  Doesn't seem like killing the bad guy bothers him and didn't delete any gun related post or his IG.

He has many vids of him drawing from CCW at a range (mostly the desert).

When I mentioned mindset, what you mentioned wasn't the kind of mindset I was referring to. . .

Humans, for the most part, have a built in mechanism that makes us resistant to killing other humans, sometimes even when other people are trying to kill us. It was such a prevalent problem that the military has studied ways to get soldiers to overcome this and have gotten fairly good at it

I think drills and training help because it helps because it helps us react quickly before emotions can rear their head. So if you take a person like a domestic violence victim and hand them a gun it can be hard for them to get up the courage and actually kill their attacker who is someone they already have an attachment to.

It's been a while since I read On Killing.  Have been meaning to go back and read it again. 

Personally, I don't agree with that rationale for drills and training.  If anything, I would say that my training would likely have me pause, even ever so slightly, due to various considerations from training.  Something that someone who would shoot relatively indiscriminately might not.  Yeah, I'm thinking more gangsta types, but similar thought process.  They would definitely NOT be thinking about anything except "Imma gonna blast dat fool".  Probably took that analogy to an extreme, but that's my point. 

My thoughts of mindset is that one needs to consider those things prior to.  I'm not saying that I know exactly how I would react, but from what I've been read and told by folks who have had to react, mindset is an important factor.   

Humans, for the most part, have a built in mechanism that makes us resistant to killing other humans, sometimes even when other people are trying to kill us. It was such a prevalent problem that the military has studied ways to get soldiers to overcome this and have gotten fairly good at it

I think drills and training help because it helps because it helps us react quickly before emotions can rear their head. So if you take a person like a domestic violence victim and hand them a gun it can be hard for them to get up the courage and actually kill their attacker who is someone they already have an attachment to.

Stop the threat, not kill the target.  If it comes to that, that is my mindset.  If the threat stops because the target is dead, then that's the outcome.  There are many examples of self defense shootings that do not result in the death of the attacker. 


In a civilian role the desired outcome is to persuade the opponent to discontinue what ever activity is threating severe bodily harm or death to one's self or loved ones.  In a military role, there is a different motive and desired outcome.  I don't think that type of training is suited for civilian purposes.

The military changed from circle targets to silhouettes. Maybe after ww2 i think.

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IIRC it was more than just targets but that was part of it.

I read an interesting book on the overall subject. It was very interesting with science and some personal stories, covers a dark side of war and an interesting bright light in humanity. Kind of heartbreaking in a way too.
I recommend it if you find the subject interesting.
https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Learning-Grossman-1996-11-01/dp/B01K2OKIFA/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=on+killing&qid=1589184674&sr=8-4

Stop the threat, not kill the target.  If it comes to that, that is my mindset.  If the threat stops because the target is dead, then that's the outcome.  There are many examples of self defense shootings that do not result in the death of the attacker. 


In a civilian role the desired outcome is to persuade the opponent to discontinue what ever activity is threating severe bodily harm or death to one's self or loved ones.  In a military role, there is a different motive and desired outcome.  I don't think that type of training is suited for civilian purposes.

Hmmm. Not sure about that. On the one hand we don't need civilians treating threat situations like soldiers facing enemy combatants but on the other hand that ingrained resistance to killing has to be overcome even in just defending oneself from a burglar.

Stop the threat, not kill the target.  If it comes to that, that is my mindset.  If the threat stops because the target is dead, then that's the outcome.  There are many examples of self defense shootings that do not result in the death of the attacker. 
In a civilian role the desired outcome is to persuade the opponent to discontinue what ever activity is threating severe bodily harm or death to one's self or loved ones.  In a military role, there is a different motive and desired outcome.  I don't think that type of training is suited for civilian purposes.

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Stop the threat, not kill the target.  If it comes to that, that is my mindset.  If the threat stops because the target is dead, then that's the outcome.  There are many examples of self defense shootings that do not result in the death of the attacker. 

Always easier to defend yourself in court with no witnesses. Especially in Hawaii where you will go to jail no matter how it went down. If a gun is involved, everybody spend the night in jail.

How many times have we heard "he was a good boy. He would never hurt anyone." Meanwhile his juvenile record of multiple violent felonies is hidden from the public (meaning the left leaning media) view and you're just some "Right-wing gun nut itching for a fight"?

Always easier to defend yourself in court with no witnesses. Especially in Hawaii where you will go to jail no matter how it went down. If a gun is involved, everybody spend the night in jail.

How many times have we heard "he was a good boy. He would never hurt anyone." Meanwhile his juvenile record of multiple violent felonies is hidden from the public (meaning the left leaning media) view and you're just some "Right-wing gun nut itching for a fight"?

I always shake my head when I hear some friend or family member saying, "But he didn't have to kill him!"

They are right.  The aggressor could have withdrawn and stopped the threat.  There are always two sides to the equation. 

If the intended victim truly feared they might be gravely wounded or killed, then they did what they HAD TO DO.  "Use of deadly force" should be a last resort, but it's not open to debate  among people who have no real idea of what actually transpired.  Investigators and prosecutors, and possibly a jury, will decide whether he was justified -- not the criminal's mother or girlfriend.

"He didn do nuthin wrong.  He just shot a Cop."