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drck1000

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2020, 11:36:36 AM »
Quote from: stangzilla on April 09, 2020, 10:17:54 AM
In that article, 44magnim had the most instances of stopping the bear threat, 12, and no failures
I'm not a hunter and I dont live in bear country, but if i did I'd pick the biggest caliber that i could shoot comfortably and make follow up shots with. From my small collection that would be my Ruger Redhawk 44magnum with hogue grips 5.5 inch barrel. I dont think I could do fast follow up shots with anything bigger than that.

Smart man once said, "a man's gotta know his limitations"
My AK buddies mentioned that the long barrel .44 Mag is the most common handgun caliber for bear hunting.  Some of them have scopes on them!   :o

A friend was on a fishing trip up the Snake River through OR and ID.  I went on another fishing trip with this guide and same buddy and the guide told us this story of how the guide stopped the boat on the trip up the river, saying he saw a cinnamon bear and that he just got his tags.  So the group was like "go for it".  He grabbed his .44 Mag (with scope  :rofl: ) and off he went.  Maybe 30 mins later, the guide returns to the boat kind of sheepishly and looking pale.  The guide said that he tracked the bear and was lining up a shot and at the last minute looked into the chambers and saw NO BRASS. . .  :o  So he slowly backed away and quietly made is way back to the boat.  Had the hammer fallen in the empty chamber. . .  Anyways, he said that his GF had cleaned his gun prior to the boat trip.  Guess in his excitement of seeing the cinnamon bear, he didn't load (or check to see if loaded) his revolver.  Now that may be a tall fishing tale and that the guide wasn't able to find anything, but I always remembered that story. 
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jc2721

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2020, 01:40:53 PM »
Quote from: stangzilla on April 09, 2020, 10:17:54 AM

Smart man once said, "a man's gotta know his limitations"

He also said "a good man's got to know his limitations."


This is my GUN, Clyde!   :geekdanc:
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ren

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2020, 01:47:14 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on April 09, 2020, 11:36:36 AM
My AK buddies mentioned that the long barrel .44 Mag is the most common handgun caliber for bear hunting.  Some of them have scopes on them!   :o

A friend was on a fishing trip up the Snake River through OR and ID.  I went on another fishing trip with this guide and same buddy and the guide told us this story of how the guide stopped the boat on the trip up the river, saying he saw a cinnamon bear and that he just got his tags.  So the group was like "go for it".  He grabbed his .44 Mag (with scope  :rofl: ) and off he went.  Maybe 30 mins later, the guide returns to the boat kind of sheepishly and looking pale.  The guide said that he tracked the bear and was lining up a shot and at the last minute looked into the chambers and saw NO BRASS. . .  :o  So he slowly backed away and quietly made is way back to the boat.  Had the hammer fallen in the empty chamber. . .  Anyways, he said that his GF had cleaned his gun prior to the boat trip.  Guess in his excitement of seeing the cinnamon bear, he didn't load (or check to see if loaded) his revolver.  Now that may be a tall fishing tale and that the guide wasn't able to find anything, but I always remembered that story.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2020, 02:07:16 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on April 09, 2020, 11:36:36 AM
...Anyways, he said that his GF had cleaned his gun prior to the boat trip.  Guess in his excitement of seeing the cinnamon bear, he didn't load (or check to see if loaded) his revolver.  ...

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groveler

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2020, 02:50:08 PM »
My brother was a fishing guide in AK.
He carried a 44 mag revolver.
By AK law professional guides have to carry
and the state specifies minimum calibers.
I believe 45 ACP is on that list.
One trip my brother took the lead and I had a 1911 45
(WWI 1911)  and a 12 gauge as I followed up the rear
 of our group.  My job was to watch for any Bear tracking us.
We caught lots of fish.  We were just catch
 and release that day.
On the way back we could see where the Grizzly
(brown) bear had walked down our trail after us.
Enjoy your AK trip.







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Mdotweber

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2020, 03:42:01 PM »
With a large animal like a bear penetration is key, Glock 21/41 with hot 10mm penetrator rounds FTW. Like others have said 44 Mag is definitely the flavor of choice for AK guides.
Main thing is your ability to quickly and humanely dispatch the m'fer (even if it is trying to kill you).

1911's in anything other than 45 is like
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2020, 03:56:24 PM »
Quote from: groveler on April 09, 2020, 02:50:08 PM
My brother was a fishing guide in AK.
He carried a 44 mag revolver.
By AK law professional guides have to carry
and the state specifies minimum calibers.
I believe 45 ACP is on that list.
One trip my brother took the lead and I had a 1911 45
(WWI 1911)  and a 12 gauge as I followed up the rear
 of our group.  My job was to watch for any Bear tracking us.
We caught lots of fish.  We were just catch
 and release that day.
On the way back we could see where the Grizzly
(brown) bear had walked down our trail after us.
Enjoy your AK trip.

I think your brother was either confused on the law, or perhaps the laws were different then?  I couldn't find anything specifically covering AK hunting guides.

Rifles, shotguns and pistols are all legal for hunting in AK.

However, rimfire cartridges generally can only be used for hunting small game.

To hunt big game, with a muzzle loader, it must be a
"shoulder-mounted long gun and at least .45 caliber or larger
with a barrel that is either rifled or smooth bore and discharges a single
projectile."

[page 19]:
http://www.eregulations.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/AKHD.pdf

Exceptions exist for weapons-restricted hunts as well as bow and crossbow specs.

For example, during certain "muzzleloading firearms only" seasons, you can't use a scope or smokeless powder.

Based on that, I would say hunting with any centerfire firearm, long gun or pistol, is LEGAL regardless of caliber.  Of course, dispatching the animal humanely is a consideration, but shot placement has more to do with that than caliber.
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Rocky

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2020, 05:33:32 PM »
Quote from: stangzilla on April 09, 2020, 10:17:54 AM

Smart man once said, "a man's gotta know his limitations"
"That's a bunch of Doodley-Squat"  8)
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