At the time I was employed as a photographer. I routinely carried on my person, camera equipment totaling well over $20,000 in value. I often had to go into shady neighborhoods and sometimes deal with some unscrupulous people. My friend at firearms also told me he had no idea if it was ever looked over. He said it was just in there all by it's unaltered lonesome, with no annotations or notes attached.

FYI,
the only person to be issued a concealed carry permit to my knowledge.................Believe it or not.....Larry mehau. I found it on a web page, Which no longer exists I have found. The one and only one permit I know of. I dont know if he still has it.
Pastor Dennis Martin

FYI,
the only person to be issued a concealed carry permit to my knowledge.................Believe it or not.....Larry mehau. I found it on a web page, Which no longer exists I have found. The one and only one permit I know of. I dont know if he still has it.
Pastor Dennis Martin

Personally, I wouldn't doubt it a bit.....that is the inherent problem with "May Issue" permits. It allows for political and social influences to substitute for "good cause" while the rest of us "regular citizens" are denied the rights we should be able to exercise.

It is surprising to me how few applicants there have been.  Maybe that's actually a problem for us.  HPD can always claim that there's been "no interest" in carrying.  Maybe we should all go down and fill out an application, at least get someone to raise an eyebrow!

Is it free to apply? From the HRS, it looks like it is and you only pay after you get the permit.

Free to apply, and I doubt Larry still has his permit, seeing as they expire after one year. As for applications, they don't exist. Thats why I had to write a letter to the Chief to "apply"

It is surprising to me how few applicants there have been.  Maybe that's actually a problem for us.  HPD can always claim that there's been "no interest" in carrying.  Maybe we should all go down and fill out an application, at least get someone to raise an eyebrow!

While I tend to agree, if you apply and are denied (high probability) then on any other application for concealed carry (like a non-resident Utah or Florida permit) you must disclose that fact, which may or may not weigh against you in that process.

I think we're asking the wrong questions of the police departments.  They say they "haven't approved any requests" for carry permits.  Maybe true, but the real questions, IMO, are:

"How many current license holders are there, and what are their names?"  "How many licenses were renewed, and what are the names of the licensees." 

Notice the wording of the Police Chief's response: "To the best of our knowledge, our department has not granted any request to carry a concealed firearm, and has no intent on granting future request without meeting the requirements of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, Chapter 134-9"

The "without meeting the requirements of the Hawaii Revised Statutes" is the key part of this phrase.  It invalidates every thing that comes before it, meaning that he may have issued permits to people the DO meet the requirements of HRS.  it also opens the possibility that the Chief issued a license without a formal 'request'. 

According to all the 'answers' here from the Chief's, there are' ZERO' persons, (other than armed guards and LEO's) licensed to carry firearms here in Hawaii.  I find that hard to believe.

Alohachris,
The numbers match the public numbers put out by the Department of the Attorney General. To my understanding, the number of issued/applied for carry permits must be communicated by law to the AG's office and the AG's office puts out public statistics in a report during the year following. I wouldn't believe either of these departments to lie about their numbers.

HRS 134-9 also talks about an applicant. That means that someone cannot just be issued a carry permit. They need to submit a request.

Lastly, carry permits are valid for only one year. Since there have been no issuances of carry permits for a few years, I think it is reasonable to say that no private citizens have a concealed carry permit.

Those are just my thoughts, though.

Hi Guys,

Just to muddle the waters more;

Years ago and I mean Many years ago, under City & County "rules". all requirements and tests for CCW
were public record and WAS availible at the City Clerks Office.  I should have gotten them when I could.
Later, they were pulled by HPD and no longer public record. I was working for the City and asked contacts in the Mayor's Office of Info and Complaints to find them.  Nope, No Way.  HPD said since CCW permits aren't issued, no Need for the public to know about them.

FWIW, I do recall seeing some of them.  The range requirements were the Same qualifiers as a regular HPD officer.  This is when HPD actually kept shooting scores, not pass fail as they do now(or so I'm told).

Now, as for applying and getting rejected.  If you ever apply for an Out of State CCW permit, the rejection by HPD Must be revealed on that state's application, IF they ask for it.  If not, you're OK.  If asked, you may have to explain Why you were rejected.  This may result in your Not getting that State's non resident CCW permit.

Now, as for applying and getting rejected.  If you ever apply for an Out of State CCW permit, the rejection by HPD Must be revealed on that state's application, IF they ask for it.  If not, you're OK.  If asked, you may have to explain Why you were rejected.  This may result in your Not getting that State's non resident CCW permit.

See that's the part that worries me the most. 

Gentlemen, please forward all documents related to this topic if you can to chris@hawaiiccw.com
I want to take a look at this (which was part of my reasoning by the post of "what do you want to know.")
All help is appreciated!

So let me get this straight,  In the State of Hawaii we are at the mercy of the Chief of Police for CCW???    Thats messed up!!!!  As a United States Citizen i feel that this is against our Constitutional Rights.  Cmon HPD how many more poor innocent people are gonna get hurt before u allow us responsible gun owners to legally carry our firearms. 

Fellow 2A members i know that i am new but i am a voice that needs to be heard.   



Aloha,

So let me get this straight,  In the State of Hawaii we are at the mercy of the Chief of Police for CCW???    Thats messed up!!!!  As a United States Citizen i feel that this is against our Constitutional Rights.  Cmon HPD how many more poor innocent people are gonna get hurt before u allow us responsible gun owners to legally carry our firearms. 

Fellow 2A members i know that i am new but i am a voice that needs to be heard.   



Aloha,

Stand with me, and you will be heard.

Not sure if this helps but I did inquire about a CCW at my local police dept on Maui. The employees there know me well enough by name because of the volume of guns I bring in for registration.

I asked the clerk about applying for a CCW and she told me that it would be very difficult to be approved and would likely be denied. I still showed interest and she told me I would have to take a pistol certification test to see if I qualify because there is a score to meet. I didn't get told that I would have to write a letter to the Chief. I haven't followed up on it yet because I haven't found time to take a pistol qualification test.

The thing that confuses me is that they know I have several handguns/revolvers and the pistol certification test isn't the same as the pistol course needed to apply for permits. I'm really wondering what the score and requirements are to get the CCW with the test.

BTW: This is my second account on the forum; for some reason I can't log in with my original account because of a validation error. 

Sorry to hear that you're having a tough time over there. Please send myself and Funtimes a PM as well so that we can try to provide any other assistance that we can. Regarding the pistol test, according to HRS 134-9:

The chief of police of each county shall adopt procedures to require that any person granted a license to carry a concealed weapon on the person shall:

     (1)  Be qualified to use the firearm in a safe manner;

So, much like other states that require additional training beyond the standard NRA safety course, this is a legal requirement IN MY OPINION, and remember, IANAL.

But it does suck that each island has their own set of requirements, yet those requirements aren't posted anywhere. One of my goals for the new year is to get a list similar to the CalGuns list that outlines the exact, step-by-step procedures required within each county to apply. It would be nice to get more information regarding what is considered a "valid" or "approved" request in each county, but that is something that is further down the road. 

- Alex

Need to get a little more information on this "pistol test".   

Scoring requirements, how often they give it, cost, who's range, who qualifies you, who's ammunition and weapons, scenario based etc.  There are some things that may stand, but others will fail or could be forced to change.

ie: You can't make people run around and do other stuff, because if the person was handicapped they couldn't do that. Would love to see a written policy on this testing portion. 

Anytime, anywhere in life, someone tells you something stupid... get it it in writing.

I'm heading to the police station to pick up my next handgun permit and I'll ask again and see if I get more information.

Well just got back home and I did pick up the application to apply for a CCW.

I did inquire about the pistol test requirements and the clerk was unsure who on the island (Maui), administers the tests to civilians. She knows that Loomis and other security companies have their own instructor who conducts the proficiency tests and that I could give them a call to see if their instructor could administer the test for a civilian.

At this point they are making shit up, and have no clue.  This is exactly one of the many reasons we are trying to push this (to find the bugs). You would need to speak to the major or whoever is in charge. Tell them your ready to apply and want the damn requirements imo.  Loomis also wouldn't let you shoot at their range or with their instructors, it wouldn't be in their liability insurance I'm sure. 

I also question the level of training these guards receive.  I kind of wish I could go over there to help figure out what the heck is going on on these other islands lol. 

(b)  The chief of police of each county shall adopt procedures to require that any person granted a license to carry a concealed weapon on the person shall:
They have to have the procedures written down, so we can see what they are.

This is the type of thing you can utilize the FOIA and the Office of Information Practices (OIP) requests for, if they won't give it to you. I just don't have the free time to start submitting at this point.