This is where many who support the imperial military of the America is getting it wrong.

Question: In the age of nuclear and conventional ballistic missiles and the courage to use them, what nation does have the capacity or would foolishly think they can conduct a land invasion of the US?

Answer: None

Question: In the age of nuclear and conventional ballistic missiles and the courage to use them, what nation does have the capacity to conduct a land invasion of all the other nations that is not the US?

Answer: America

Consequently, it the rest of the World that has more reason to maintain a standing military because of US foreign aggression.

 

This is probably one of the most whacked things I've read in a while..

Like... if you found a spider in your house, are you going to use dynamite to kill it?

I suppose like the saying goes... "if the only thing you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail."

I hope I have misunderstood this.

The smartest way is probably what Russia did. Foster division in out country and let us burn down from within.

Russia does not have to do anything.

The division(s) in America are many and will eventually lead to some sort of revolution or civil war.

I guess their Navy expansion is just for humanitarian efforts?

Their navy expansion into the South China Sea is to protect their shipping lanes from the US imperial navy.

So you really think America would nuke the entire southern or northern border?

If the US felt defeat was inevitable, do you see Washington DC capitulating without using its immense nuclear arsenal first?

This is probably one of the most whacked things I've read in a while..

Like... if you found a spider in your house, are you going to use dynamite to kill it?

I suppose like the saying goes... "if the only thing you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail."

I hope I have misunderstood this.

What part is confusing to you?

The part that nuclear armed nations will use their weapons of mass destruction against an invading enemy?

An ocean based invasion would be a very poor choice. A better option would be to come in through Canada or Mexico. Luckily we have pretty good relations with our neighbors.

The smartest way is probably what Russia did. Foster division in out country and let us burn down from within.

I think that is what I said.
I disagree that is was Russians Fostering internal division.
In America there are two kinds of people, Americans and Democrats.
Americans are pretty diverse and love freedom.
Democrats are monolithic and are all Tyrants.

I’m trying to follow this whole thing.
You guys are all over the place, which is cool.

I agree with Peace through Superior Firepower.
That’s been around since I was a kid.
So long as everyone has superior firepower, no one fights.

I don’t get why we took on the role as the protector/police of the World.
At MASSIVE expense to the common citizen/taxpayer.
Let them pay their taxes and protect themselves.

No one is going to invade us and if you think they might it‘s a good thing I made extra tinfoil hats.

I believe we need a sufficient standing Army, Navy, Air Force to have superior firepower.
Just not throughout the world.
We can visit but we shouldn’t live there.

Then again, if the armed forces are pretty much home based, some people might say it’s only here to suppress the citizenry.
In that case, cannot win because there is no pleasing everyone.

P.S.
The economics of this whole thing is batshit.
We police the world to protect our wealthiest’s assets.
Also sell a shit ton of munitions and planes and whatever else war supplies to other countries. Bazillion dollar industry.
Small wars are money makers.
The Big Three will not go to War in our kids lifetimes.

Use of nuclear weapons to defend the homeland against an invading force at or near the border?  :facepalm:

There are plenty of conventional (not nuclear warhead) munitions that can stop large forces.  Not all nuclear weapons are the massive bombs that movies portray.  Targeting the invading force isn't the only way to stop said force.  Just some things to consider for the irrational practicing economists out there. . . .

I agree with Peace through Superior Firepower.
That’s been around since I was a kid.
So long as everyone has superior firepower, no one fights.

Exactly, a relatively equitable armed society is a peaceful society.

I don’t get why we took on the role as the protector/police of the World.
At MASSIVE expense to the common citizen/taxpayer.
Let them pay their taxes and protect themselves.

It does not make sense because of the uncomfortable truth that America is an empire in denial.  No REPUBLIC could ever justify on its budget, the garrisons and armadas that the US empire has all over the planet.

No one is going to invade us and if you think they might it‘s a good thing I made extra tinfoil hats.

This is the current BIG LIE the chicken hawks in the US always use to justify its imperial military adventures.  Another example, "the rest of the World hates America because of its freedoms, hence we need to garrison nation X or send some fleet to whatever ocean to ensure America's security."  The countries that hate the US are those who have been on the receiving end of its economic exploitations or unjustifiably singled out as the enemy: Russia, China, DPRK, Iran, etc.

I believe we need a sufficient standing Army, Navy, Air Force to have superior firepower.
Just not throughout the world.
We can visit but we shouldn’t live there.

Totally agree.

I would even argue that the local populations where America sets up their garrisons and bases its fleets are not totally loved by them.  Yes, they love US money; but their physical presence no.

Then again, if the armed forces are pretty much home based, some people might say it’s only here to suppress the citizenry.
In that case, cannot win because there is no pleasing everyone.

Every country should maintain a highly trained military of combined arms, but purposely limited in size.  To make up the difference, all nations should provide basic military training as part of their respective education system, who are subject to serve ONLY after of a formal declaration of war. 

This set-up would financially prevent a nation from any external imperial ambitions and at the same time make possible for that nation to expand its military personnel with basic trained people in an event of war, in a relatively short period of time at lower cost.

P.S.
The economics of this whole thing is batshit.
We police the world to protect our wealthiest’s assets.
Also sell a shit ton of munitions and planes and whatever else war supplies to other countries. Bazillion dollar industry.
Small wars are money makers.
The Big Three will not go to War in our kids lifetimes.

Perfectly said.

The American imperial military has less to do with safeguarding the American citizenry and more to do with protecting the exploitation of other nations for the benefit of the ultrawealthy.

Use of nuclear weapons to defend the homeland against an invading force at or near the border?  :facepalm:

There are plenty of conventional (not nuclear warhead) munitions that can stop large forces.  Not all nuclear weapons are the massive bombs that movies portray.  Targeting the invading force isn't the only way to stop said force.  Just some things to consider for the irrational practicing economists out there. . . .

Contrary to the perception of what some posters thought I was saying, I never said the use of nuclear weapons should be the first option to stop an invading force.

I only alluded that it would be an option and a very decisive one at that.

I’m trying to follow this whole thing.
1) You guys are all over the place, which is cool.

I agree with Peace through Superior Firepower.
That’s been around since I was a kid.
2) So long as everyone has superior firepower, no one fights.

3) I don’t get why we took on the role as the protector/police of the World.
At MASSIVE expense to the common citizen/taxpayer.
Let them pay their taxes and protect themselves.

No one is going to invade us and if you think they might it‘s a good thing I made extra tinfoil hats.

I believe we need a sufficient standing Army, Navy, Air Force to have superior firepower.
Just not throughout the world.
We can visit but we shouldn’t live there.

Then again, if the armed forces are pretty much home based, some people might say it’s only here to suppress the citizenry.
In that case, cannot win because there is no pleasing everyone.

P.S.
The economics of this whole thing is batshit.
We police the world to protect our wealthiest’s assets.
Also sell a shit ton of munitions and planes and whatever else war supplies to other countries. Bazillion dollar industry.
Small wars are money makers.
The Big Three will not go to War in our kids lifetimes.

1) I think you'll see that the rational folks are relatively consistent.  Not the same message, but rational and based on facts, not irrational fear. 

2) I would tend to agree.  I always thought that the next world wide conflict would start because of two shithole third world countries fighting over issues that are hundreds of years old.  Then big brothers on both sides stepping in and thus escalating.  An interesting one was that scene in War Games near the end where the computer is running all sorts of scenarios. 

3) The protector of the world is one aspect that I always wondered about.  Personally, I think the US sticks it's nose in many places where it doesn't belong.  Yeah, I understand that comes from less than
"honest" influence from wealthy as well as global strategies that the public probably isn't aware of.  That said, some of it comes up as the nosy Nancy always in everyone's business and trying to force her way of  life on her neighbors. 

Contrary to the perception of what some posters thought I was saying, I never said the use of nuclear weapons should be the first option to stop an invading force.

I only alluded that it would be an option and a very decisive one at that.

Decisive?  Yeah, I guess if the goal was to create a pretty long term demilitarized zone on the border, as well as negatively impacting millions in the homeland. 

I guess you honestly envision a realistic threat of a land invasion from Canada or Mexico. . .

Decisive?  Yeah, I guess if the goal was to create a pretty long term demilitarized zone on the border, as well as negatively impacting millions in the homeland. 

I guess you honestly envision a realistic threat of a land invasion from Canada or Mexico. . .

No, I don't think there will ever be a realistic threat from Canada or Mexico.

However, I do think there is a realistic threat of aggression by the American empire after Trump leaves the White House against Russia, China, DPRK, Iran, Venezuela, etc.

No, I don't think there will ever be a realistic threat from Canada or Mexico.

However, I do think there is a realistic threat of aggression by the American empire after Trump leaves the White House against Russia, China, DPRK, Iran, Venezuela, etc.

Ok. Who knows what will happen, but how did your translation your train of thought from land invasion from Canada or Mexico to US “empire” attacking Russia, China, etc?

Seriously?  I’m wondering. Not filled with hate or anything. But trying to make the connection in your stream of irrational thoughts.

We’re not going after Russia or China.

Pretty sure we will back Taiwan though if that shit escalates.
And China will probably back North Korea if that shit escalates.

We didn’t do shit when Russia basically invaded Ukraine and annexed the Crimean Peninsula.

We don’t pick on the big kids and the big kids don’t pick on us.

On topic:
Socialism does not work. (Haha no pun intended but just caught that one in my own head.)
However, modified Socialism is inevitable in modern times.

We’re not going after Russia or China.

Pretty sure we will back Taiwan though if that shit escalates.
And China will probably back North Korea if that shit escalates.

We didn’t do shit when Russia basically invaded Ukraine and annexed the Crimean Peninsula.

We don’t pick on the big kids and the big kids don’t pick on us.

On topic:
Socialism does not work. (Haha no pun intended but just caught that one in my own head.)
However, modified Socialism is inevitable in modern times.

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Face it Hawaii is a Socialist Banana Republic.
Polish the Honolulu Turd all you want,
but it is still a turd.
You have to ask permission
to do just about everything.
buy guns, buy food, go to church,
educate your children, travel,
et al.
Hawaii Democrat governments are going to fail
and I will do everything I can to kill them.
I'm sure most fellow Americans feel the same
about their Democrat governments across
our land right now.

You think some foreign guys wants to mess with
millions of Americans across our land
that hate their "own" people?

Socialism SUX!

socialism works....we are in it right now.
We have a govt. that tells us when we can leave our homes, what we can leave our homes for, what we need to wear in public, what businesses and activities we can partake it based on their guidance. If anyone regardless of citizenship breaks these rules you will be arrested. All in the name of the "greater good" and under the veil of public safety.
And the population agrees with this.
Keep up the good work

I have no idea how the idea of nukes entered this post. I dont know which came first imperialism or nukes.

socialism works....we are in it right now.
We have a govt. that tells us when we can leave our homes, what we can leave our homes for, what we need to wear in public, what businesses and activities we can partake it based on their guidance. If anyone regardless of citizenship breaks these rules you will be arrested. All in the name of the "greater good" and under the veil of public safety.
And the population agrees with this.
Keep up the good work

I have no idea how the idea of nukes entered this post. I dont know which came first imperialism or nukes.

"And the population agrees with this."

The people I live with pretty much ignore it.
I'm in my mid 60's and I still shake hands,
tolerate the Hugs( I'm not a hugging sort of guy
except for wife), and do the
Head tapping.

Fear will kill you
and rob you of life.

A rather famous line is
" A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once.
It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end,
will come when it will come".

It was a fictional work, but it is truth.

Fear will kill you
and rob you of life.

A rather famous line is
" A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once.
It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end,
will come when it will come".
It was a fictional work, but it is truth.

The Grov be "Shak'n it" 
You are a man of the worlds indeed.   

socialism works....we are in it right now.

Yes it does; socialism for the fifthly rich, that is.

How much of the trillions of dollars of Covid-19 relief go the wealthy corporations again?

We have a govt. that tells us when we can leave our homes, what we can leave our homes for, what we need to wear in public, what businesses and activities we can partake it based on their guidance. If anyone regardless of citizenship breaks these rules you will be arrested. All in the name of the "greater good" and under the veil of public safety.

What are you complaining about?

Aren't you a fan of the American empire; because that is how empires treat their subjects.

And the population agrees with this.
Keep up the good work

I could not agree more.   

A population that willingly surrenders to the seduction of global empire deserves exactly the loss of personal liberties that goes with it.

Yes it does; socialism for the fifthly rich, that is.

How much of the trillions of dollars of Covid-19 relief go the wealthy corporations again?




What are you complaining about?

Aren't you a fan of the American empire; because that is how empires treat their subjects.




I could not agree more.   

A population that willingly surrenders to the seduction of global empire deserves exactly the loss of personal liberties that goes with it.

You always seem to misquote people to frame them in your argument. What did I complain about in that post? No where did I say I'm a "fan" of any empire, nor did I imply an American one. What I see is a local government that is pandering to the irrational public fear to gain power and wealth. We voted these people in. We need to vote them out.
All this economic suffering is self-inflicted and exasperated by indecisiveness and political calculus. Instead of reassuring the people our leaders hold on to this cloud of fear to prolong this lockdown and hold the people hostage.
Socialism won't work but we see ourselves asking for more handouts while giving up our freedoms.