Socialism works... (Read 46448 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #200 on: May 22, 2020, 10:52:59 PM »
Remember, pure capitalism is a marketplace where governments, laws, or restrictions do not exist.  All resource allocation in such a society is solely determined by unfettered market forces.  In this society, there are no nations, morals, ethics, or principles; everything is for sale, as caveat emptor.

Is this the type of economic ideology, pure capitalism, you wish to live under?

I think you would struggle to find any conservative who wants pure, unfettered capitalism.

drck1000

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #201 on: May 23, 2020, 02:20:01 AM »

Your position above seems misguided.

Any pure economic ideologies will fail, as that is what history has shown up to this point.  There is no country that is purely capitalistic, socialistic or communistic, as all economies on this planet are some form of hybrid economic system.  Some are more capitalistic like the US, while others are more socialistic like China. 

The degree of any nation, as to how much capitalism, socialism, or communism they determine for their own respective economy, primarily depends on the amount capital and labor that is currently available, their level of technological progress, and the current wealth distribution among its populace.
Are you effing serious? Any “pure ideology” is to an extreme. It doesn’t take a “practicing economist “ to see that. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

His position is misguided? I guess it would be for anyone with such a narrow world view with such disdain for American “imperialism” and who thinks going back to what life was in 1890s would be better. Talk about a pipe dream. Wake the eff up!!!

drck1000

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #202 on: May 23, 2020, 02:21:38 AM »
I think you would struggle to find any conservative who wants pure, unfettered capitalism.
You are to question they all knowing “practicing economist”?  As a “practicing scientist”?

Kuleana

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #203 on: May 23, 2020, 07:30:30 AM »
I think you would struggle to find any conservative who wants pure, unfettered capitalism.

On the contrary, I would go so far to argue that there does exist conservative ultrawealthy, who would LOVE a return to some sort of FEUDAL pure capitalist society, where social mobility and the rights of man does not exist.

Slaves, serfs, or indentured servants, it all does not matter to them, as long as they are the emperors, kings, or lords of society and the people live their lives to serve them.

Kuleana

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #204 on: May 23, 2020, 07:56:56 AM »
Are you effing serious? Any “pure ideology” is to an extreme. It doesn’t take a “practicing economist “ to see that. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

His position is misguided? I guess it would be for anyone with such a narrow world view with such disdain for American “imperialism” and who thinks going back to what life was in 1890s would be better. Talk about a pipe dream. Wake the eff up!!!

You apparently have not been reading all the posts of this thread to summarize my exchanges with FJ so biasedly.

FJ presents himself as a staunch capitalist, who parrots American propaganda that anything but capitalism is BAD and that the US has no elements of socialism within its political or economic system.  My posts to his and others with similar views have since proven that view is FALSE, as the US incorporates many elements of socialism.  INCOME TAXES, SOCIAL SECURITY, health and human services, the armed forces, Veterans Administration, etc. are all examples of socialistic initiatives, since they are all funded by government taxation, which any true capitalist would not approve.

If there are people with narrow views, those who possess an undying disdain for socialism should look in the mirror, since there is very few living in the American empire today, who is not benefiting in some way of those socialist inspired services, provided by the government of which the conservative ultrawealthy would love to see eliminated.


BTW...

Death to the current American empire!

Long live the Kingdom of Hawaii AND the American Republic!
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Kuleana

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #205 on: May 23, 2020, 08:02:11 AM »
You no longer offer any entertainment value.  One can only enjoy the same shtick so many times before it becomes monotonous.

VICTORY!

All hail the Kingdom of Hawaii and the American Republic!

Kuleana

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #206 on: May 23, 2020, 08:14:37 AM »
Talk about a pipe dream. Wake the eff up!!!

Opinions vary.

Some Americans would say having the right to bear arms is an outdated pipe dream in the 21st century also. 

aieahound

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #207 on: May 23, 2020, 12:07:25 PM »
I'm going to loosely paraphrase a famous Economist
Tomas Sowell.
Socialism is when the government owns the means of production and controls what is produced.
(China is a good example).
Facism is when the government directs the privately owned means of production what to produce.
(This is what we have in America).
Capitalism is what happens when production is dictated by what a free market wants produced.
( This is the drug trade).
Comments in parentheses are mine.
I agree all things are Hybrid.

I prefer Capitalism. It is heartless and cruel.
But it is Freedom.
I would add just a tinge of fascism to keep it a little
safe and fair.
I think it is called a Republic.

Well said.

Forgot about the tinge of Socialism we all enjoy by paying involuntary taxes.
But overall, well said.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #208 on: May 24, 2020, 09:21:57 PM »
On the contrary, I would go so far to argue that there does exist conservative ultrawealthy, who would LOVE a return to some sort of FEUDAL pure capitalist society, where social mobility and the rights of man does not exist.

Slaves, serfs, or indentured servants, it all does not matter to them, as long as they are the emperors, kings, or lords of society and the people live their lives to serve them.

Show them to me and I will admit I am wrong.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #209 on: May 24, 2020, 09:32:13 PM »
VICTORY!

All hail the Kingdom of Hawaii and the American Republic!


Here's your trophy, little boy.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #210 on: May 24, 2020, 10:32:15 PM »
Show them to me and I will admit I am wrong.

Please read the following to get a sense of how the ultrawealthy have betrayed their fellow citizenry.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/25/america-wealthy-class-betrayed-inequality


Please see the following to get a picture of how a neo-feudal society led by the ultrawealthy is reawaking on the planet.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/25/how-america-is-reverting-back-to-the-feudal-age/

https://prospect.org/economy/rise-of-neo-feudalism/

https://quillette.com/2019/06/19/what-do-the-oligarchs-have-in-mind-for-us/

Kuleana

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #211 on: May 24, 2020, 10:33:30 PM »
Here's your trophy, little boy.



Why thank you. 

I could not have won it without you!   :-*

groveler

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #212 on: May 25, 2020, 12:04:08 PM »
Please read the following to get a sense of how the ultrawealthy have betrayed their fellow citizenry.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/25/america-wealthy-class-betrayed-inequality


Please see the following to get a picture of how a neo-feudal society led by the ultrawealthy is reawaking on the planet.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/25/how-america-is-reverting-back-to-the-feudal-age/

https://prospect.org/economy/rise-of-neo-feudalism/

https://quillette.com/2019/06/19/what-do-the-oligarchs-have-in-mind-for-us/
I do read the stuff you reference.
" Virtually all their human resource emphasis relies on cultivating and retaining a relative handful of tech-savvy operators."
Since I'm one of those guys, who is quite poor but hanging on,  and typing this as I wait for my electrician to show up.
I thought I'd add a comment.
People like me can put a large proportion of the population out of work.
We can design, build, program, and repair machines
you call them "robots" that can do a lot of the more of the tedious
tasks that historically we hired the less capable people to do.
Not everybody can do critical thinking and analysis.
The problem we all face is what do we do with the people we don't need?
The world keeps making them, and morally we have to recognize their rights.
I think that is the true challenge of the future.
Not what your race, culture, or past indignities were, but how to face a future,
where a significant part of the population is "useless".
This isn't Star Trek Next generation.
This is Hawaii, America, and the world.

ren

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #213 on: May 25, 2020, 12:32:53 PM »
I do read the stuff you reference.
" Virtually all their human resource emphasis relies on cultivating and retaining a relative handful of tech-savvy operators."
Since I'm one of those guys, who is quite poor but hanging on,  and typing this as I wait for my electrician to show up.
I thought I'd add a comment.
People like me can put a large proportion of the population out of work.
We can design, build, program, and repair machines
you call them "robots" that can do a lot of the more of the tedious
tasks that historically we hired the less capable people to do.
Not everybody can do critical thinking and analysis.
The problem we all face is what do we do with the people we don't need?
The world keeps making them, and morally we have to recognize their rights.
I think that is the true challenge of the future.
Not what your race, culture, or past indignities were, but how to face a future,
where a significant part of the population is "useless".
This isn't Star Trek Next generation.
This is Hawaii, America, and the world.

we are the makers.
Deeds Not Words

eyeeatingfish

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #214 on: June 03, 2020, 09:16:20 PM »
Please read the following to get a sense of how the ultrawealthy have betrayed their fellow citizenry.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/25/america-wealthy-class-betrayed-inequality


Please see the following to get a picture of how a neo-feudal society led by the ultrawealthy is reawaking on the planet.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/25/how-america-is-reverting-back-to-the-feudal-age/

https://prospect.org/economy/rise-of-neo-feudalism/

https://quillette.com/2019/06/19/what-do-the-oligarchs-have-in-mind-for-us/

I see no mention whatsoever of slavery in any of these articles. So where is the unfettered capitalism?