People are still scared and turn to govt. for guidance...no matter how inept govt is we always turn to them  for guidance

Not just guidance, but also for the resources they often have exclusive control over, and for the legal authority they alone may have to implement needed solutions.

They've made us dependent for a wide variety of things.  Putting measures in place to stop the spread of disease is outside the expertise of most of us, but gov't is supposed to have access to the people who do know these things.  God knows we pay enough every year for salaries of these health experts.

https://health.hawaii.gov/about/office-of-the-director/

Oregon court just ruled their gov is violating law.

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Well the new state travel form does a good job of violating the 4th Amendment really well.

Story from BI
https://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2020/05/22/hawaii-has-new-mandatory-travel-declaration-form/

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Well the new state travel form does a good job of violating the 4th Amendment really well.

Story from BI
https://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2020/05/22/hawaii-has-new-mandatory-travel-declaration-form/

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If I recall correctly, only the agriculture department related questions are mandatory on the current arrival forms -- to declare any fruits, vegetables, plants, soil, animals, etc.  The other side for the tourism department was totally voluntary.

Unless the laws are changed, I can't see how there'a any valid foundation for collecting information on a new form related to things outside the scope of agricultural and animal importation,

https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/2016/title-11/chapter-150a/section-150a-5/

Having said that, I'm sure this will be the #1 piece of business when the legislature reconvenes.

It is clearly spelled out.  Declaring the same emergency twice back-to-back is an extension of the first one no matter what you try to call it.  Arguing otherwise requires suspension of logic and reasonable understanding of plain English language.

Nope, it isn't clearly spelled out. That is the problem. You don't seem to understand how legal language works.

A lockdown is not the same as a quarantine.  Now who's trying to play word games?

The law doesn't specifically define what quarantine is. Fail #2

Quarantined people do not get to go shopping for food or to visit other essential businesses and services.

You mean like the tourists who come in and are being arrested because they went outside?

Nope, it isn't clearly spelled out. That is the problem. You don't seem to understand how legal language works.


The law doesn't specifically define what quarantine is. Fail #2


You mean like the tourists who come in and are being arrested because they went outside?

Remind us -- where did you receive your law degree?

Exactly.  They were quarantined.  Anyone showing symptoms, who were possibly exposed or who arrived in Hawaii after the lockdown started were quarantined.  Everyone else was not.

Not a difficult concept at all.

If I recall correctly, only the agriculture department related questions are mandatory on the current arrival forms -- to declare any fruits, vegetables, plants, soil, animals, etc.  The other side for the tourism department was totally voluntary.
Unless the laws are changed, I can't see how there'a any valid foundation for collecting information on a new form related to things outside the scope of agricultural and animal importation,
https://law.justia.com/codes/hawaii/2016/title-11/chapter-150a/section-150a-5/
Having said that, I'm sure this will be the #1 piece of business when the legislature reconvenes.

Looks like a definite 4a violation and lets throw HIPA violation in there too !

Remind us -- where did you receive your law degree?

Exactly.  They were quarantined.  Anyone showing symptoms, who were possibly exposed or who arrived in Hawaii after the lockdown started were quarantined.  Everyone else was not.

Not a difficult concept at all.

You are the one making incorrect claims. It's your job to prove your own statements. Don't get mad at me when I show you don't have a basis for your argument.

You are the one making incorrect claims. It's your job to prove your own statements. Don't get mad at me when I show you don't have a basis for your argument.

There you go again, pretending you get to tell us all what the rules are.

The rule is, if you don't have anything to support your own position, don't pretend it's the other person's job to do what you can't.

There you go again, pretending you get to tell us all what the rules are.

The rule is, if you don't have anything to support your own position, don't pretend it's the other person's job to do what you can't.

You said it was spelled out in plain english even though it clearly wasn't then you demand to see my law degree. You just invalidated your first argument.

You are the one who failed to prove your assertion. If you don't like it then don't make it. You could have stopped at saying why you think it is wrong to continue the emergency declaration but no, you made a claim of certainty that wasn't supported and now you are upset someone pointed it out.