I really appreciate your explanation because they are so thoughtful and wholly insightful.

I edited my comment to post a link but perhaps you had already started the reply before the edit got posted.

Here are some other links covering some of the studies as well. Notice they even have videos showing how effective the masks were at mitigating the mists.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/scientists-tested-14-types-of-masks-in-preventing-spread-of-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR2pQ6hInR8kjt-R_QdPHFh34MbFenK8-mL8jQjp-4Bp9oFNE7rP9X6OGWk

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-best-face-mask-coronavirus-protection-2020-7?fbclid=IwAR3Ky1yFcytELumYUN4JmWSqR09p_52KJTcB0pIEkl08xahmyEQcRJQx0vM#single-layer-cotton-masks-are-preferable-to-single-layer-paper-masks-8

The whole point of masks is they have control.
If you cannot see that then you are not as smart as
I think you are.
You descend to being clever,

 

I edited my comment to post a link but perhaps you had already started the reply before the edit got posted.

Here are some other links covering some of the studies as well. Notice they even have videos showing how effective the masks were at mitigating the mists.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/scientists-tested-14-types-of-masks-in-preventing-spread-of-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR2pQ6hInR8kjt-R_QdPHFh34MbFenK8-mL8jQjp-4Bp9oFNE7rP9X6OGWk

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-best-face-mask-coronavirus-protection-2020-7?fbclid=IwAR3Ky1yFcytELumYUN4JmWSqR09p_52KJTcB0pIEkl08xahmyEQcRJQx0vM#single-layer-cotton-masks-are-preferable-to-single-layer-paper-masks-8

NY Post? Business Insider?
 
I spend my day reading peer reviewed articles and journals.
Thank you Officer Obvious

The whole point of masks is they have control.
If you cannot see that then you are not as smart as
I think you are.
You descend to being cleaver,

Control? Sorry but as far as conspiracy theory plot motives go that is about as weak as they come. An entire pandemic is dreamed up and supported by the vast majority of doctors all in this big effect so the government can make us wear masks? Thats' some serious sinister work right there.

You have to wear clothing outside, is that also government control?

Capturing and filtering out the virus is not the point of the mask requirements though. The point of the masks in this case are to mitigate the small water droplets we expell because those droplets are what carries the virus. There have been multiple studies comparing various types of masks and even ones with just 2 layers of cotton t-shirt material did quite well at reducing both the quantity of water droplets as well as the distance the droplets spread.

https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-test-best-fabric-choices-for-making-a-homemade-covid-mask/?fbclid=IwAR3B-82DKTqxBc79U_zoVkzmuHJPgY1R2zaSwaviEfP-UMxInpxNUHbxaRM

Tell that to our healthcare providers. Better yet, I’d like you to tell that to my cousin who works in a COVID care unit. Or better yet, you prove your assertion and go help care for the sick with your 2 layer cotton t-shirt.

NY Post? Business Insider?
 
I spend my day reading peer reviewed articles and journals.
Thank you Officer Obvious

Sorry, I thought you were just being sarcastic so I threw in some data for ya.
Thank you for your kind words

Control? Sorry but as far as conspiracy theory plot motives go that is about as weak as they come. An entire pandemic is dreamed up and supported by the vast majority of doctors all in this big effect so the government can make us wear masks? Thats' some serious sinister work right there.

You have to wear clothing outside, is that also government control?

the difference is the law you are referring to has gone through process where these mandates were just dictated to us with no input nor rhyme or reason. Same absent logic in dictating to us the magic number of 5 people gatherings

Tell that to our healthcare providers. Better yet, I’d like you to tell that to my cousin who works in a COVID care unit. Or better yet, you prove your assertion and go help care for the sick with your 2 layer cotton t-shirt.

Tell them what? You mean show them the data on the effectiveness of various types of masks?

the difference is the law you are referring to has gone through process where these mandates were just dictated to us with no input nor rhyme or reason. Same absent logic in dictating to us the magic number of 5 people gatherings

That is a disingenuous argument. Even if you don't agree on the final call they made, there is clearly rhyme and reason for the mandates. You think someone wrote up a bingo game with regulation ideas and picked them at random? And to what end, is Kermit twiddling his thumbs like Mr. Burns delighting that he has made people wear masks for no reason?

That is a disingenuous argument. Even if you don't agree on the final call they made, there is clearly rhyme and reason for the mandates. You think someone wrote up a bingo game with regulation ideas and picked them at random? And to what end, is Kermit twiddling his thumbs like Mr. Burns delighting that he has made people wear masks for no reason?

so where is the scientific data to support the mandates? When we pass laws they go through the legislature and there are hearings. In this case, there are no public inputs to these mandates. They become law by the political elite. There's no challenging them.
We know you get the virus by touching your face or other mucous membranes. The virus is less present in fecal matter. With daily wearing of masks everywhere that is mandated how many times does an average citizen touch their faces without washing hands prior and after masking?
I'm not against wearing or for wearing of masks. I'm mandated to. I put it on when I go to public places and I try to wash my hands as much as I can and not touch my face. The general public accepts this like lemmings. The govt tells you wear a mask but doesn't tell us the proper method to don it. I see masks being hung on rear view mirrors, surgical masks being used several times. Now we have some businesses like HAL who think they have defined what a mask SHOULD be. Last time I checked there is no law defining what a mask should be as mandated by govt. I also don't recognize HAL as in the business of epidemiology or anything close to the medical profession.

the difference is the law you are referring to has gone through process where these mandates were just dictated to us with no input nor rhyme or reason. Same absent logic in dictating to us the magic number of 5 people gatherings

... and 10 rd magazines,
and 16 oz sodas,
and $15 minimum wage.

Arbitrary and restrictive -- i.e controlling.

Tell them what? You mean show them the data on the effectiveness of various types of masks?

Go back and reread Ren’s post and then at your response... :facepalm:

Not that he needs defending...

getting back to subject all these mandates don't apply if you donned a BLM shirt, sticker, hat or marched under a BLM flag on Ala Moana park.

so where is the scientific data to support the mandates? When we pass laws they go through the legislature and there are hearings. In this case, there are no public inputs to these mandates. They become law by the political elite. There's no challenging them.
We know you get the virus by touching your face or other mucous membranes. The virus is less present in fecal matter. With daily wearing of masks everywhere that is mandated how many times does an average citizen touch their faces without washing hands prior and after masking?
I'm not against wearing or for wearing of masks. I'm mandated to. I put it on when I go to public places and I try to wash my hands as much as I can and not touch my face. The general public accepts this like lemmings. The govt tells you wear a mask but doesn't tell us the proper method to don it. I see masks being hung on rear view mirrors, surgical masks being used several times. Now we have some businesses like HAL who think they have defined what a mask SHOULD be. Last time I checked there is no law defining what a mask should be as mandated by govt. I also don't recognize HAL as in the business of epidemiology or anything close to the medical profession.

I just posted articles on a number of studies about masks. Again, do you think they are just making up regulations? Do you think that no one at the department of health is able to look at the data as it comes in and make recommendations for the governor and mayor to base their decisions on?

The regulations become like law under that laws that grant certain govern powers to the government during emergencies. And even then they can be challenged, one such challenge already made it to the Hawaii supreme court.

Hawaiian airlines gets to set their own standards as they are a private company. So if they decide their policy is to require a certain level of mask then thats their call. I don't know the details of this decision and if I did I might even agree with your criticisms of their decision but I don't put that on the government.

Go back and reread Ren’s post and then at your response... :facepalm:

Not that he needs defending...

My point to you was that I would tell all those people that because that is what the data shows.

Hawaiian Airlines is privately owned, but they are regulated by the FAA.

Not a good example.  If the FAA decides all airlines must enforce wear of masks onboard, they have no choice.

getting back to subject all these mandates don't apply if you donned a BLM shirt, sticker, hat or marched under a BLM flag on Ala Moana park.

While I agree it is hypocrisy and stupid of the protestors to think they were somehow immune by virtue of their cause I can see how the government would weigh the risks and decide not to block their marches. Think about what could happen if cops rolled in hard to the park arresting and citing BLM protestors for mask and park closure violations. Best case scenario for the government get some fine money and shrink the crowd a bit at which time the covid may have already spread anyway. Worst case scenario there is a riot on their hands. I don't agree with their decision on the principle of the matter but as a practical, boots on the ground, decision it makes a lot of sense.

I just posted articles on a number of studies about masks. Again, do you think they are just making up regulations? Do you think that no one at the department of health is able to look at the data as it comes in and make recommendations for the governor and mayor to base their decisions on?

The same Dept of Health that is struggling with contact tracing? The same Dept that said they had contact tracing under control?

and the latest City order prohibits gatherings regardless of your property rights
https://www.honolulu.gov/rep/site/may/may_docs/Emergency_Order_No._2020-24.pdf

no gatherings in your OWN home.
They could easily replace it with no firearms in your OWN home.
No karaoke in your OWN home.
No prayers in your OWN home.

Why 5? If the Rt rate is over 1 wouldn't it be logical to make all gatherings/partnerships illegal? Because at an Rt of more than 1, theoretically that one person will infect another. So everyone must be isolated.

While I agree it is hypocrisy and stupid of the protestors to think they were somehow immune by virtue of their cause I can see how the government would weigh the risks and decide not to block their marches. Think about what could happen if cops rolled in hard to the park arresting and citing BLM protestors for mask and park closure violations. Best case scenario for the government get some fine money and shrink the crowd a bit at which time the covid may have already spread anyway. Worst case scenario there is a riot on their hands. I don't agree with their decision on the principle of the matter but as a practical, boots on the ground, decision it makes a lot of sense.

By your logic, we should be able to go to the beach as long as we go with a crowd big enough to cow the police into backing down?

Right.