Hawaiian Airlines is privately owned, but they are regulated by the FAA.

Not a good example.  If the FAA decides all airlines must enforce wear of masks onboard, they have no choice.

Wearing of masks but what kind? Where is the definition of an allowed FAA or HAL approved mask?

https://newsroom.hawaiianairlines.com/releases/hawaiian-airlines-adopts-stricter-mask-policy

and that CDC guidance? Even that explanation is pretty vague. The CDC describes masks with vents. They do realize that the mouth and nose are vents as well. A mask is nothing more than a filter for a vent. They key word in the CDC guidance is "may" but people take that as gospel well, because after all they are the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html

By your logic, we should be able to go to the beach as long as we go with a crowd big enough to cow the police into backing down?

Right.

You can't tell the difference between a strategic decision and one based on idealism. Unfortunately for your idealism (and mine) those two often conflict.

If 20 guys are fighting outside a bar and only one cop is on scene should he run in and break it up by himself because he can't let them think they can scare police?

You can't tell the difference between a strategic decision and one based on idealism. Unfortunately for your idealism (and mine) those two often conflict.

If 20 guys are fighting outside a bar and only one cop is on scene should he run in and break it up by himself because he can't let them think they can scare police?

Your hypotheticals are getting old.  Never one to answer a question directly, are you?  (And you have the audacity to accuse others).

HIV is an ongoing epidemic
https://www.hiv.gov/federal-response/ending-the-hiv-epidemic/overview

since they banned gatherings in public and private places - why can't they ban sex to end the HIV epidemic? We know that HIV transmission occurs during sex and IV drug use.

HIV is an ongoing epidemic
https://www.hiv.gov/federal-response/ending-the-hiv-epidemic/overview

since they banned gatherings in public and private places - why can't they ban sex to end the HIV epidemic? We know that HIV transmission occurs during sex and IV drug use.

Before AIDS became an epidemic, the CDC wanted to shutdown Gay Bath Houses in S.F.  The Gay Community refused to allow it.  So, obviously the gov't can't force people to do anything that endangers public health as long as there is a "civil rights" issue involved.

Your hypotheticals are getting old.  Never one to answer a question directly, are you?  (And you have the audacity to accuse others).

I did answer your question, you just refuse to see it. I give you an example, a hypothetical, a parable, and you don't like that they prove you wrong so you just whine about hypotheticals instead of actually having to acknowledge the point contained within.

Yes, sometimes the government withdraws enforcement due to the complications that would arise from trying to enforce something. I suppose you think a military unit should never retreat as well? 

I did answer your question, you just refuse to see it. I give you an example, a hypothetical, a parable, and you don't like that they prove you wrong so you just whine about hypotheticals instead of actually having to acknowledge the point contained within.

Yes, sometimes the government withdraws enforcement due to the complications that would arise from trying to enforce something. I suppose you think a military unit should never retreat as well? 

Why do you turn every thread into a whine-feast over what you said and what others said? 

Oh, yeah ..... HPD-paid disrupter.

The military has completely different strategic and tactical rules of engagement than the police.  Once again, your hypothetical BS is off target.

I suppose you think a military unit should never retreat as well? 

You have no understanding of the military.

Have you noticed that its mostly broke blue states that are really draconian on the lockdown. This is bc Donald Trump made the mistake of letting the fed bail them out, so they feel the need to get as costly of a bill as possible to the state. 

There was no cost benefit analysis done before the lockdowns, bc local govts felt as if all their actions will be paid for by the fed.

Another thing, state orders are not laws, so as time passes and the court systems get filled up with frivolous covid 19 order cases, im sure a lot of cases will just get dismissed, bc theres no way any of these laws are constitutional.

The biggest threat though is that the fed is printing the USD into hyperinflation, and it will only get worse. The dollar index is starting to fall, gold is rising and the US will lose a lot of power when the rest of the world doesnt want to hold our helicopter money.


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Have you noticed that its mostly broke blue states that are really draconian on the lockdown. This is bc Donald Trump made the mistake of letting the fed bail them out, so they feel the need to get as costly of a bill as possible to the state.

US Presidents have no authority over the FED.  Any President that tries to control them, usually gets assassinated.

The biggest threat though is that the fed is printing the USD into hyperinflation, and it will only get worse. The dollar index is starting to fall, gold is rising and the US will lose a lot of power when the rest of the world doesnt want to hold our helicopter money.

That is an understatement.

Ever since the FED expanded their SDR to foreign countries, they have been loaning an obscene and unknown amount of US toilet paper both domestically and internationally.  At this rate, the FED could possibly flood the global market up to approximately 10 Trillion worthless pieces of paper, depending who is doing the reporting, by the end of 2020.

There is no way the US empire will make it out of the debacle it created by itself.  With each passing day, a civil war, isolated revolutions, and/or balkanization could occur separately or even concurrently, in the next five years. 

I have a special request. Can we make the Cop fight the CCP "Hawaiian" next? Cop vs Permatroll is getting boring already.

I have a heavily biased perspective.
When you have a child with covid in the ER and you are forbidden to be there, quarrantines and lockdowns are great.
At that point the constitution is low on the priority list.
I also know someone who is in a medical coma fighting the virus.

I have a heavily biased perspective.
When you have a child with covid in the ER and you are forbidden to be there, quarrantines and lockdowns are great.
At that point the constitution is low on the priority list.
I also know someone who is in a medical coma fighting the virus.

Right.

Two sides of the COVID-19 coin:  Treatment vs. Prevention.

Is there anything in the Constitution that gives government the right to suspend individual rights based on "prevention"? 

Pre-crime? 

Pre-contagious?

Why do you turn every thread into a whine-feast over what you said and what others said? 

Oh, yeah ..... HPD-paid disrupter.

The military has completely different strategic and tactical rules of engagement than the police.  Once again, your hypothetical BS is off target.

Turn every thread? I started this thread genius.

You sure project a lot. Sure, I chime in with my disagreements but I do so in a civil manner. It is you, time after time, with user after user, who devolves threads into personal attacks and petty arguments. Frankly if anyone disrupts this website it is you. You sure do it better than me.

Once again you can't accept I gave a perfectly solid answer to your question. Police do have to be strategic in how they deal with large crowds, if you can't see that on it's surface and your so called military background then I think there is no hope for you in understanding. You claim I am a cop paid to disrupt this forum yet you suggest I know nothing about policing, which is it?

Turn every thread? I started this thread genius.

You sure project a lot. Sure, I chime in with my disagreements but I do so in a civil manner. It is you, time after time, with user after user, who devolves threads into personal attacks and petty arguments. Frankly if anyone disrupts this website it is you. You sure do it better than me.

Once again you can't accept I gave a perfectly solid answer to your question. Police do have to be strategic in how they deal with large crowds, if you can't see that on it's surface and your so called military background then I think there is no hope for you in understanding. You claim I am a cop paid to disrupt this forum yet you suggest I know nothing about policing, which is it?

Doesn't matter WHO started a thread.  You drive them all off the tracks.

Doesn't matter WHO started a thread.  You drive them all off the tracks.

What an utter hypocrite you are

If I had a relative that was killed by a gun I wouldn't ban guns. If I was killed by a gun I wouldn't want my family to lead legislation to ban guns.

What an utter hypocrite you are

Nothing in your post quoted above is related to the topic.

And, here you are adding a Stop Jack.

Who's the hypocrite?         

Gov Ige will NOT comply
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/08/24/gov-ige-declines-address-open-records-request/

The Associated Press asked for the documents in May under Hawaii’s open records law, the Uniform Information Practices Act. Ige’s office said it would not comply, however, citing an emergency order he signed suspending deadlines for such information due to the pandemic.

so as you can see folks they will pass mandates for you and I but they will not address concerns from the people

Gov Ige will NOT comply
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/08/24/gov-ige-declines-address-open-records-request/

The Associated Press asked for the documents in May under Hawaii’s open records law, the Uniform Information Practices Act. Ige’s office said it would not comply, however, citing an emergency order he signed suspending deadlines for such information due to the pandemic.

so as you can see folks they will pass mandates for you and I but they will not address concerns from the people

Right on!