Poll

Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown rules to be unconstitutional?

Yes, all of it
51.5%
Some of it
27.3%
No, none of it
18.2%
Undecided
3%
Total Members Voted
33

Voting closed: August 20, 2020, 10:38:16 PM

Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional? (Read 29111 times)

ren

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #80 on: August 24, 2020, 08:00:24 AM »
as straight up lie in OUR FACES!
https://governor.hawaii.gov/governor-david-iges-priorities-for-hawai%CA%BBi/

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oldfart

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #81 on: August 24, 2020, 08:22:30 AM »
as straight up lie in OUR FACES!
https://governor.hawaii.gov/governor-david-iges-priorities-for-hawai%CA%BBi/

Our Vision

To have a state government that is honest, transparent and responsive to its citizens.

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The virus threw a monkey wrench into that entire webpage.
I feel sorry for anyone in any position of leadership, be it public or private. Every tough business decision will have negative consequences.
The virus has created a no-win scenario for the entire world.
What, Me Worry?

ren

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #82 on: August 24, 2020, 08:28:47 AM »
A leader will provide hope and a path to the future. How about just a ray of light from Gov Ige. All we hear is more mandates because we as a people are "going in the wrong direction". They base their perception of the PEOPLE on a couple of incidents, social media posts for the a State with a population of 1.4 million people.
No timeline of a vaccine. No plan to look forward. No plans for the economy. If I was in the tourism industry Id just move to Mexico or the Caribbean, because thats where people are going. They just move goalposts and add more lockdowns.

Where was the media, govt and attention when flu deaths hit over 600 in 2017? and in 2016, 2015 when they were in the 100s? No featured stories on people. No headlines. No mandates.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2020, 08:56:42 AM by ren »
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robtmc

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #83 on: August 24, 2020, 10:34:40 AM »
Where was the media, govt and attention when flu deaths hit over 600 in 2017? and in 2016, 2015 when they were in the 100s? No featured stories on people. No headlines. No mandates.
The democrat media and politicians were not being handed a ready made anti-Trump weapon in an election year.  Of no political use to them then.

drck1000

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #84 on: August 24, 2020, 10:39:32 AM »
CDC drops recommendation for 14-day quarantine recommendation.  Will see what FIge does. . .

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/08/23/cdc-removes-14-day-covid-quarantine-recommendation-travelers/3424484001/

oldfart

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #85 on: August 24, 2020, 10:58:54 AM »
The democrat media and politicians were not being handed a ready made anti-Trump weapon in an election year.  Of no political use to them then.
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Eggsackly correct.
They dems know since it truly is a no-win scenario no matter what the pres does or says, they can automatically say he is wrong or stupid.
They do it every minute of every day, from what I observe on the national newscasts or national tv shows.
Back in the day, people would suck it up and rally around the president to face a national threat. I consider it a civic duty.

Today, politicians and anybody with a computer will pounce on every tough decision to denounce the pres.
As if they could fix the problems facing our nation any better.
It easy to criticise and throw rocks when cowering behind a mask and keyboard.

...end of rant...
What, Me Worry?

oldfart

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #86 on: August 24, 2020, 11:03:42 AM »
CDC drops recommendation for 14-day quarantine recommendation.  Will see what FIge does. . .

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/08/23/cdc-removes-14-day-covid-quarantine-recommendation-travelers/3424484001/
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Oh no....that means I might have to go back to work instead of cleaning and painting my house....dammit

 :rofl:
What, Me Worry?

drck1000

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #87 on: August 24, 2020, 11:04:24 AM »
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Eggsackly correct.
They dems know since it truly is a no-win scenario no matter what the pres does or says, they can automatically say he is wrong or stupid.
They do it every minute of every day, from what I observe on the national newscasts or national tv shows.
Back in the day, people would suck it up and rally around the president to face a national threat. I consider it a civic duty.

Today, politicians and anybody with a computer will pounce on every tough decision to denounce the pres.
As if they could fix the problems facing our nation any better.
It easy to criticise and throw rocks when cowering behind a mask and keyboard.

...end of rant...
Same for Green.  As much as I think FIge is an idiot and making bad decisions, it's a much different position to be in charge of making the decisions (hopefully based on good information) than being able to be the squawking parrot in the background with the "I would have done this", "they need to do this", etc.  When he probably knows that much of that is out of the control of the Office of the Gov, regardless of who is sitting in that chair. 

IMO Green is one of THE worse hypocrites out there, but so many seem to view him as a damn savior.  It's maddening. . .

drck1000

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #88 on: August 24, 2020, 11:05:16 AM »
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Oh no....that means I might have to go back to work instead of cleaning and painting my house....dammit

 :rofl:
Youse essenshul.  Git back to werk.  We need your taxes. . .  ;D

oldfart

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #89 on: August 24, 2020, 11:21:25 AM »
Youse essenshul.  Git back to werk.  We need your taxes. . .  ;D
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Oh shush yo mout

If your workplace gives you 2 weeks paid leave wouldn't you take it?
Fyi, I tested negative last week and they still put me out to pasture because my son MAY have had it.
He nevèr exhibited the usual covid symptoms.

I plan on cleaning house, painting, making bullets, reloading, drinking beer and smoking cigars in the cool evening breeze.
Not necessarily in that order.
What, Me Worry?

drck1000

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #90 on: August 24, 2020, 11:59:35 AM »
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Oh shush yo mout

If your workplace gives you 2 weeks paid leave wouldn't you take it?
Fyi, I tested negative last week and they still put me out to pasture because my son MAY have had it.
He nevèr exhibited the usual covid symptoms.

I plan on cleaning house, painting, making bullets, reloading, drinking beer and smoking cigars in the cool evening breeze.
Not necessarily in that order.
I have so much leave accumulated and been so busy. Will prob lose leave this year.

And I say take it easy if you can. Just in case, I was kidding...

Kuleana

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #91 on: August 24, 2020, 01:23:28 PM »
No plans for the economy.
Why do you think the FED is printing trillions, of toilet paper sheets?

That is because that is the only thing the US can do, as there will be no recovery, for the global economy, until Covid-19 is properly under control, by most, of the major nations, on planet Earth.  Hence, it behooves all nations, to focus their economic recovery plans, to stop the proliferation, of that virus, at all costs.  Plain and simple. 




If I was in the tourism industry Id just move to Mexico or the Caribbean, because thats where people are going.

Do you really think Mexico wants to have millions, of asymptomatic Covid-19 tourist, on their shores?

ren

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #92 on: August 24, 2020, 04:26:58 PM »
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/08/24/beaches-parks-oahu-are-closed-some-say-science-supports-reopening-them/

Ige and Caldwell have maintained that closing parks and beaches prevents “unregulated” gatherings from happening.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #93 on: August 24, 2020, 04:40:54 PM »
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/08/24/beaches-parks-oahu-are-closed-some-say-science-supports-reopening-them/

Ige and Caldwell have maintained that closing parks and beaches prevents “unregulated” gatherings from happening.

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Ige and Caldwell have maintained that closing parks and beaches prevents “unregulated” gatherings from
happening. Businesses, they say, can police their patrons and ensure they’re following the rules.

And yet, the Honolulu Police Department has created a "task force" of 160 officers to enforce compliance with the emergency orders, including enforcement of restrictions placed on visitors.

Why are the beaches and parks considered "unregulated" when we are organizing 160 HPD officers to "regulate" them?

Makes absolutely NO SENSE!   :crazy:

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Special enforcement unit created

Police Chief Susan Ballard said officers would be out in force in the coming days for “strategic enforcement” efforts
of the emergency orders. She has created a task force with 160 officers to patrol and respond to violations of the
orders, and said they would be citing violators.

The Honolulu Police Department has also set up a coronavirus enforcement hotline that will be available starting
Sunday. The hotline number is 723-3900.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/08/06/live-governor-outline-plan-reining-covid-surge-oahu/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #94 on: August 24, 2020, 04:45:34 PM »
My daughter told me one person at the beach was cited for breaking the COVID-19 orders.

They were in the water, then after exiting, they sat on a bench cleaning the sand from their feet.

A Cop was TIMING the person, and after 3 minutes handed the swimmer a citation.

Three minutes sitting ALONE on a bench to clean your feet before leaving is breaking the COVID-19 order.

Just so you know.

I wonder what the increased risk is from having Cops interact with people in public to issue citations.

I guess with the drop in vehicle traffic, they have to find another way of raising revenue for the C&C.   :grrr:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Wchiro

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #95 on: August 24, 2020, 05:07:17 PM »
Why do you think the FED is printing trillions, of toilet paper sheets?

That is because that is the only thing the US can do, as there will be no recovery, for the global economy, until Covid-19 is properly under control, by most, of the major nations, on planet Earth.  Hence, it behooves all nations, to focus their economic recovery plans, to stop the proliferation, of that virus, at all costs.  Plain and simple. 


Trump has a plan, have you noticed that he has been spending a whole lot of money during his Presidency?  He is going to pretty much destroy the Central/Federal Reserve Banking system and put us back on the Gold standard.  Until then he is spending their money to build up the military, the countries infrastructure,  giving the people money during the Covid pandemic and even suspending the payroll tax (this is driving the central bank nuts). If anything happens to the economy he'll blame it all on the banking system saying that he was using their money system.  In the mean time he has been setting up a new money system based on precious metal (gold/silver) which he will switch to when the dollar collapses.  That's why he has been rolling back regulations and bringing back manufacturing and jobs (to lessen the blow when the currency changes) to the US. They will then force an audit on the Federal Reserve which they will very well find illegal dealings and Trump will declare that the US debt is null and void ( and that may include our credit card debts).  If Trump gets re-elected he will shut down the IRS because we will no longer need to repay the National Debt.  The only reason he might keep the IRS is the collect the taxes from the states the way it was done before the fiat oil dollar system went into effect in the early 1970's.  Remember Trump has dealt with bankruptcies and came back successful, he knows how the system works.  He is trying the destroy the the banking system because it breeds corruption in our government, for example how can someone in congress who earns $174,000 a year become a millionaire on that salary.  Own a 4 million dollar home in California (Maxine Waters).  Before they entered Government service they were not millionaires and now they are!  REALLY!  Sorry for the rant. 

robtmc

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #96 on: August 25, 2020, 07:27:07 AM »
Ige and Caldwell have maintained that closing parks and beaches prevents “unregulated” gatherings from happening.
"Unregulated" meaning not under their control?

Everyone enjoying living in a police state about now?

The cops are the only ones with complete freedom of movement and no fear of being apprehended for something, somehow.

Kuleana

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #97 on: August 25, 2020, 06:46:30 PM »
He is going to pretty much destroy the Central/Federal Reserve Banking system and put us back on the Gold standard.
That is assuming the US still has its gold reserves.  The last time there was an audit of US gold reserves, I believe was in 1986.  There is a reason why there has been no audit conducted, since that time.



Until then he is spending their money to build up the military, the countries infrastructure, giving the people money during the Covid pandemic and even suspending the payroll tax (this is driving the central bank nuts).
You got the part of overspending on the imperial military right, but is the wall built yet?  Moreover, if that is true, when is he going to give money to pay for Oahu's rail?



If anything happens to the economy he'll blame it all on the banking system saying that he was using their money system.  In the mean time he has been setting up a new money system based on precious metal (gold/silver) which he will switch to when the dollar collapses.
Well, don't forget the global banking families have tons of gold as well.



That's why he has been rolling back regulations and bringing back manufacturing and jobs (to lessen the blow when the currency changes) to the US. They will then force an audit on the Federal Reserve which they will very well find illegal dealings and Trump will declare that the US debt is null and void ( and that may include our credit card debts).
It will take more than 20 years, at least, to get this country back into manufacturing based economics.  Even then, do you think the ultra-wealthy will bring their corporations back to the US, just to pay high union wages?  That was the reason why they left the US, in the first place.



If Trump gets re-elected he will shut down the IRS because we will no longer need to repay the National Debt.  The only reason he might keep the IRS is the collect the taxes from the states the way it was done before the fiat oil dollar system went into effect in the early 1970's.
I hope Trump gets re-elected, but the IRS is not going anywhere.



Remember Trump has dealt with bankruptcies and came back successful, he knows how the system works.  He is trying the destroy the the banking system because it breeds corruption in our government...
Knowing Trump went through several bankruptcies is not a positive thing.  It just shows Trump can really screw-up majorly.  He just has been very lucky, up to this point.  However, if Trump thinks he can outsmart the global banking cartels, he better remember, what happened to JFK.

macsak

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #98 on: August 25, 2020, 07:17:14 PM »
Knowing Trump went through several bankruptcies is not a positive thing.  It just shows Trump can really screw-up majorly.  He just has been very lucky, up to this point.  However, if Trump thinks he can outsmart the global banking cartels, he better remember, what happened to JFK.

what happened to JFK?

ren

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