Poll

Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown rules to be unconstitutional?

Yes, all of it
51.5%
Some of it
27.3%
No, none of it
18.2%
Undecided
3%
Total Members Voted
33

Voting closed: August 20, 2020, 10:38:16 PM

Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional? (Read 29107 times)

drck1000

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #100 on: August 25, 2020, 07:41:13 PM »
what happened to JFK?
Ask Stanley Goodspeed.  He has the documents on micro-film. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #101 on: August 25, 2020, 08:15:50 PM »
Ask Stanley Goodspeed.  He has the documents on micro-film.

That movie ....... ROCKS!   :geekdanc: :shaka:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #102 on: August 25, 2020, 09:29:19 PM »
That movie ....... ROCKS!   :geekdanc: :shaka:

wasn't that movie soooo 1990ish.....
Deeds Not Words

macsak

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #103 on: August 25, 2020, 10:00:51 PM »
Ask Stanley Goodspeed.  He has the documents on micro-film.

Carla was the Prom Queen...

ren

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #104 on: August 26, 2020, 06:54:22 AM »
Deeds Not Words

eyeeatingfish

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #105 on: August 26, 2020, 10:15:25 PM »
Who's the hypocrite?   :crazy:   :wacko:   :geekdanc:

You are. Glad we could clear that up for you

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #106 on: August 26, 2020, 10:16:08 PM »
You are. Glad we could clear that up for you

You forgot   :stopjack:  :stopjack:  :stopjack:  :stopjack:  :stopjack:  :stopjack:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

msp3

Federal judge rules state's pandemic shutdown orders 'unconstitutional'
« Reply #107 on: September 14, 2020, 12:35:07 PM »
By: Scripps National/The Associated Press
Posted at 11:40 AM, Sep 14, 2020  and last updated 7:40 AM, Sep 14, 2020
A federal judge ruled Monday Pennsylvania’s Governor Tom Wolf’s COVID-19 pandemic restrictions are unconstitutional.

Four counties in the state filed a lawsuit claiming the governor’s orders closing non-life-sustaining businesses and limiting outdoor gatherings, and stay-at-home orders were unconstitutional. They stated the orders were "arbitrary, capricious and interfered with the concept of 'ordered liberty' as protected by the Fourteenth Amendment."

Plaintiffs included hair salons, a drive-in theater, other businesses, as well as state representatives and congressman Mike Kelly.

In his ruling, the judge says the governor’s actions likely had good intentions, “to protect Pennsylvanians from the virus," but that "even in an emergency, the authority of government is not unfettered."

U.S. District Judge William Stickman IV ruling reads, “"(1) that the congregate gathering limits imposed by defendants' mitigation orders violate the right of assembly enshrined in the First Amendment; (2) that the stay-at-home and business closure components of defendants' orders violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment; and (3) that the business closure components of Defendants' orders violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment."

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/coronavirus/federal-judge-rules-states-pandemic-shutdown-orders-unconstitutional
« Last Edit: September 14, 2020, 12:43:40 PM by msp3 »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #108 on: September 14, 2020, 02:39:29 PM »
Michigan voters are having a petition campaign to REPEAL the Governor's emergency powers.

They have 400K+ signatures.  They need 500K to submit the petition, and 350K need to be verified for it to be legit.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/petition-drive-emergency-powers-michigan-whitmer/2020/09/13/id/986705/


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Deeds Not Words

groveler

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #110 on: September 17, 2020, 03:38:19 PM »
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/hawaii/hawaii.htm

Flu deaths in 2017: 637
0.05 percent
that is a small number
of a population of 1,4 million people.
I really don't care if the tourist industry
gets destroyed by the people working in
the tourist industry vote for.
That is their choice.
They seem to out number me.

In life most people are idiots
and the rest of us have to pull all the
weight.
Open Hawaii up and make money.
or just close up shop and pay property taxes to keep
your Tyrant Democrats working and in power.
Easy choice for me.
Hard choice for Democrats.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #111 on: September 17, 2020, 04:05:29 PM »
0.05 percent
that is a small number
of a population of 1,4 million people.
I really don't care if the tourist industry
gets destroyed by the people working in
the tourist industry vote for.
That is their choice.
They seem to out number me.

In life most people are idiots
and the rest of us have to pull all the
weight.
Open Hawaii up and make money.
or just close up shop and pay property taxes to keep
your Tyrant Democrats working and in power.
Easy choice for me.
Hard choice for Democrats.

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

― George Carlin
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #112 on: September 21, 2020, 11:43:52 AM »
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/26380/Abercrombie-and-Waihee-on-COVID-Leadership.aspx


Leadership, loosely defined as the ability to motivate people to do what you want when they might not be willing to do it without the motivation, is an ability (or lack thereof) often cited in describing a government’s response. Gov. Waihee identified three essential aspects of leadership. First, there must be no corruption. If the public thinks you as a leader are doing something wrong, they will have less motivation to follow you. Second, there needs to be openness, and third, there needs to be clear communication to the constituency of what and why. The electorate doesn’t like to be told to shut up and do what they’re told. They need to have some sense of not only the desired behavior but also the reasons behind it before they are able to buy in.

The openness aspect seemed to be lacking at least in our government’s initial response to the crisis. When the emergency proclamations giving us the stay-at-home orders and quarantining came down from the fifth floor of the Capitol, the Governor suspended in its entirety the state’s chapter of mandating public access to government records, and suspended a large part of the state’s open meetings laws. The Governor walked back the suspensions a little at the beginning of May, but it seems that the tone and direction of the executive branch already had been set. Not even the Legislative Auditor was able to obtain cooperation with its information gathering efforts at the Department of Health or the Department of Education. When it is that tough for a government agency to get answers, woe be to the press and the public who are trying to find essential information.

When government is challenged in structural capability or leadership, Gov. Abercrombie suggested that a possible solution is to fill in the gap with a public-private partnership, such as is being tried with the Aloha Stadium grounds. Of course, safeguards need to be in place to be sure that the interests of the public are protected, but many situations present opportunities for win-win situations.
Deeds Not Words

ren

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #113 on: September 23, 2020, 07:48:10 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/health/plastic-face-shields-do-not-stop-spread-covid-19-study

Plastic face shields are all but useless when it comes to defeating the spread of the coronavirus, according to a new Japanese study.
Deeds Not Words

changemyoil66

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #114 on: September 23, 2020, 08:05:48 PM »
HIV is an ongoing epidemic
https://www.hiv.gov/federal-response/ending-the-hiv-epidemic/overview

since they banned gatherings in public and private places - why can't they ban sex to end the HIV epidemic? We know that HIV transmission occurs during sex and IV drug use.
CA made it legal to knowingly give someone HIV.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #115 on: September 25, 2020, 09:25:16 PM »
CA made it legal to knowingly give someone HIV.

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 :wtf:???

GlockNewb

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #116 on: October 02, 2020, 06:13:48 PM »
Michigan voters are having a petition campaign to REPEAL the Governor's emergency powers.

They have 400K+ signatures.  They need 500K to submit the petition, and 350K need to be verified for it to be legit.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/petition-drive-emergency-powers-michigan-whitmer/2020/09/13/id/986705/




Aaaaaaand the Michigan Supreme Court sided with the people...

I hope Ige is listening

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/02/politics/michigan-supreme-court-whitmer-covid-emergency/index.html
"Fast is slow, slow is smooth, smooth is fast."

robtmc

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #117 on: October 02, 2020, 06:28:40 PM »
HIV is an ongoing epidemic
Yes, but homosexuals are a protected class that cannot be infringed on.  Their depravity is sanctioned.

Of course, at least one liberal here believes what they do to each other is perfectly normal and sanitary.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #118 on: October 02, 2020, 06:33:53 PM »
Yes, but homosexuals are a protected class that cannot be infringed on.  Their depravity is sanctioned.

Of course, at least one liberal here believes what they do to each other is perfectly normal and sanitary.

And the Band Played On is an excellent movie on the origins and initial CDC efforts as the AIDS/HIV epidemic began.

The Gay community in San Francisco was fiercely opposed to the CDC's recommendation they close the bath houses where men were hooking up with strangers for the most part to have indiscriminate sex. 

They identified a French Canadian airline steward as the likely patient zero, spreading the disease in city after city as he flew for work and had Gay encounters at every stop.

Basically, it shows us that those with political agendas can mislead the masses even to the point of creating a health crisis and killing thousands.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2020, 08:57:26 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #119 on: October 02, 2020, 06:54:31 PM »
I hope Ige is listening

As if he cares what the kulaks think.   
The democrat base is still all for him and his draconian decrees.