Poll

Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown rules to be unconstitutional?

Yes, all of it
51.5%
Some of it
27.3%
No, none of it
18.2%
Undecided
3%
Total Members Voted
33

Voting closed: August 20, 2020, 10:38:16 PM

Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional? (Read 29105 times)

robtmc

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #120 on: October 02, 2020, 07:01:07 PM »
[bThe Gay homosexual (nothing "gay' about depravity) community in San Francisco was fiercely opposed to the CDC's recommendation they close the bath houses where men were hooking up with strangers for the most part to have indiscriminate sex.
Did not pay a lot of attention to politics back then, but seem to recall Reagan really stirring up a hornet's nest suggesting quarantining  disease carrying poofters.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #121 on: October 02, 2020, 07:01:26 PM »
As if he cares what the kulaks think.   
The democrat base is still all for him and his draconian decrees.

Ige beecame Governor in 2014.  He was reelected in 2018.

If my math skills are not failing, that means he'll become a former Governor on the first Monday in December 2022.

He doesn't give a shit about the voters.  He's coasting.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #122 on: October 02, 2020, 07:04:57 PM »
He doesn't give a shit about the voters.  He's coasting.
Not that we could ever get a thing rolling, but a recall tool like California used to get rid of Grey would be nice.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #123 on: October 02, 2020, 07:21:54 PM »
Did not pay a lot of attention to politics back then, but seem to recall Reagan really stirring up a hornet's nest suggesting quarantining  disease carrying poofters.

Reagan was like everyone else.  He was making decisions based on the information available at the time.  It's only after the fact that the CDC was able to piece together the at-risk groups.  Remember, the original reports said only Haitians and homosexual men appeared to be at risk.  We know now that HIV can have a really long dormant period where symptoms are nonexistent -- as in the case of the Canadian steward (aka Flight Attendant).  Plenty of time for someone to infect countless partners.

There was also a reluctance by the CDC to work with the French.  This new retrovirus was a chance to go down in medical and microbiology history.  Lots of behind the scenes issues that kept people in charge, including Reagan, from understanding what the nation, and the world, was facing.

The first name for the disease was GRID:  Gay-Related Immune Deficiency.  It was also given the unofficial name of "The Gay Plague".  The CDC had no testing for it.  They eventually discovered that current tests for Hepatitis could find symptoms of HIV even though the test could not identify the virus itself.  Since the virus suppresses immunity responses, they deduced that a test showing lower than normal white blood cells and other immunity related cells indicated  suppressed immunity.

Anyway, people tried to politicize the disease the same way the Left is politicizing COVID-19 against Trump.  Reagan could have put more money into R&D, but that could have actually slowed things down if the money was not spent properly.  We still have no proven cure for HIV.  While it's no longer considered a fatal disease in almost all cases as before, it's considered "chronic."  If left untreated, survival rate is 6-9 months once diagnosed with AIDS -- the result of HIV.  The prognosis with treatment varies case by case.  Knowing that now, it's not rational to presume Reagan could have prevented the spread.

Even doctors were complacent until the disease showed up in the blood supply.  I still can't fathom why people look to blame presidents WITH NO MEDICAL TRAINING AT ALL for problems caused by diseases.  He relies on the CDC, Surgeon General and scientists to find the facts and answers.  if they say, "Don't wear green," and Trump wears green, and the disease spreads, then I can see the argument.  But when there is no data supporting the "no green" theory, it becomes a personal choice to either follow that advice or not.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2020, 08:56:44 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #124 on: October 02, 2020, 07:30:02 PM »
only Haitians and homosexual men appeared to be at risk.
I have to laugh, remebering the old joke:

What is the hardest part of telling your parents you have AIDS?

"Trying to convince them that you are Haitian"

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #125 on: October 02, 2020, 07:36:42 PM »
I have to laugh, remebering the old joke:

What is the hardest part of telling your parents you have AIDS?

"Trying to convince them that you are Haitian"

Yep.  That, and the Edie Murphy joke:

Doctor:  "Mr. Murphy, you have AIDS."

Eddie:  "That can't be!  I'm not a homosexual."

Doctor (condescendingly):  "Sure, you're not a homosexual."


The movie was actually based on a book which is listed on Amazon now in it's 20th anniversary edition.  This was written back when investigative journalism followed the facts, not just people on Twitter and Facebook.

https://www.amazon.com/Band-Played-Politics-Epidemic-20th-Anniversary/dp/0312374631

if nothing else, the movie has a stellar cast -- at least stars that were big 20 years ago.  Most have maintained that status.
https://www.amazon.com/Band-Played-Matthew-Modine/dp/B00KG2SDX8/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=and+the+band+played+on&qid=1601703306&s=movies-tv&sr=1-1
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Do you believe the quarantine and lockdown to be unconstitutional?
« Reply #126 on: October 02, 2020, 07:41:47 PM »
I found that movie on YT (free).   :popcorn:



Now back to our regularly scheduled topic .....

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw