George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police (Read 51274 times)

Jl808

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #180 on: June 09, 2020, 07:02:02 AM »
Funny satire

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QUIETShooter

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #181 on: June 09, 2020, 07:06:35 AM »
so they want police to be defunded and replaced...


Sorry I'm so clueless but who is this man?  I usually try to do my own search but it's just a picture and there's nothing to go on.

I feel I need to know who this man is.  Thanks.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

QUIETShooter

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #182 on: June 09, 2020, 07:11:27 AM »
Sorry I'm so clueless but who is this man?  I usually try to do my own search but it's just a picture and there's nothing to go on.

I feel I need to know who this man is.  Thanks.

Never mind.  Stupid me.  I realized I know who he is...... :crazy:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #183 on: June 09, 2020, 08:23:53 AM »
You really are a one trick pony, huh?  Nothing to add -- just same old rhetorical, Cop-hating, regurgitated mess.
Nope. You are the one trick pony for your constant supporting for anything the establishment dictates.

If the establishment needs someone to cause doubt on the presence of police brutality, cover-up America's involvement on the overthrows of sovereign nations or color revolutions, and support illegal military invasions, you are their covert operative to keep everyone in-line and try to demonize those who question them.




Hypothetically, what if 90% of them would have listened to the rookie and checked his own actions before Floyd stopped breathing?  Would that even be a consideration in your mind, or does it even compute for you?
If rookie cops or soldiers for that matter witness or given an unlawful order or act, they should have every right to disobey and report such actions to the proper authorities, assuming, of course, those in charge will follow through with those complaints.




WRONG.  The incident provides evidence of THE INCIDENT.  Please explain for us "Cop supporters" how this ONE SITUATION with THESE SPECIFIC COPS and this ONE SPECIFIC PERP in any way, shape or form translates into a blanket condemnation of all Cops everywhere and in every situation.
Finally, you admit you are a cop supporter. 

Well "cop supporter", the current incident with Floyd is but one of many that paints a bad picture of cops within American communities.  If your eyes and ears are limited to one incident at a time, I guess you will always be in the dark of the gigantic protests against the abuses and corruption of law enforcement that is sweeping the US.




You truly are a predictable broken record.
So are you.

drck1000

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #184 on: June 09, 2020, 08:35:11 AM »
You think cops today are brutal? Look up the history of the Texas Rangers.

Are there bad cops? Yes. Just as much as there are bad citizens, including legal, illegal, or “original inhabitants”.  Trying to turn this simple fact of human life into an argument based on irrational historical bones to pick is just plain idiotic...

Yes, there are good cops. And I am proud to have many of them as my friends.

And yes, there are some here who sound like damn broken records and only see life as what they know, don’t try to convince them otherwise...

Kuleana

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #185 on: June 09, 2020, 08:56:22 AM »
You think cops today are brutal? Look up the history of the Texas Rangers.
Well aware of them, a lesson to learn from.




Are there bad cops? Yes. Just as much as there are bad citizens, including legal, illegal, or “original inhabitants”.  Trying to turn this simple fact of human life into an argument based on irrational historical bones to pick is just plain idiotic...
No different than the current US imperial stance that they want all subjects in the America to believe (i.e., 2nd Amendment supporters, protestors, social justice advocates, Russia, China, Iran, DPRK, Cuba, Venezuela, and whoever else that does not submit to imperial rule are all bad).




Yes, there are good cops. And I am proud to have many of them as my friends.
I have many cops that are my friends as well and they also share my views, but are afraid to come forward and that's the PROBLEM that needs to be fixed.




And yes, there are some here who sound like damn broken records and only see life as what they know, don’t try to convince them otherwise...
Not trying to convince anyone.

My only purpose is to make sure that those who subtly try to convince the population that there is no problem with police corruption and brutality and to maintain the status quo are thwarted.

QUIETShooter

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #186 on: June 09, 2020, 09:05:41 AM »
You think cops today are brutal? Look up the history of the Texas Rangers.

Are there bad cops? Yes. Just as much as there are bad citizens, including legal, illegal, or “original inhabitants”.  Trying to turn this simple fact of human life into an argument based on irrational historical bones to pick is just plain idiotic...

Yes, there are good cops. And I am proud to have many of them as my friends.

And yes, there are some here who sound like damn broken records and only see life as what they know, don’t try to convince them otherwise...

I also believe that there are good cops.  More so than bad cops.  The good deeds of these LEO's seldom make news.  These type of news don't sell.

Justice for all citizens.  Removing and punishing those who the public puts their trust in.  Holding our leaders accountable.  These are things that won't be solved overnight.  It's a journey and we as a civilization are moving in the right direction.  Sometimes it just doesn't seem so but it is.

I don't know if life will ever be a bed of roses but we sure as hell can try.  Like MJ said, it starts with the man in the mirror.

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

groveler

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #187 on: June 09, 2020, 09:51:37 AM »
So what if someone decides to go more than 10, 15, 20, hell even 40 over. Where do you think it starts to get ridiculous? The engineers that design the roads use science and statistics to come up with the number, then err on the side of caution a little. It's not arbitrary. I think the question is whether or not the law is needed, but what the limit should be. I agree that sometimes a few miles over is okay, but there needs to be a point where the line gets drawn. The fine is supposed to deter you from doing it, with a byproduct of funding the cities needs, and yes, some pockets. On a sunny day, speed can still pose a danger. And you yourself may be a very safe driver, but can you confidently say that there aren't drivers that may not be as able?

As for taxes, without them, funding for many crucial departments would all fall short of functioning budget. I agree that distribution and tracking need reform. But we cannot take the good without the bad. Thats why we vote. Tax sucks, but it's a necessity. I have never heard of a realistic way to fit the bill if taxes are cancelled. If you can enlighten me, I'm on your side, because I dont like taxes either. But like I said, I feel it's a necessity...

I've been to Germany a few times, my brother was stationed there way back. Even the Autobahn has a speed limit in some parts... but I have severely digressed. And now.... :stopjack:
On speed limits;
I live on the big island
I used to drive the old saddle road at up to 80 MPH.
the speed limit was 25 MPH.
I'm an average driver skill level.
One mistake on that old road is generally a totaled vehicle.
I easily did 120 MPH on I-5 and I-90 on my Goldwing motorcycle.
No harm, if a mistake was made I'd be the one to suffer.
In my local town the speed limit is 25MPH,
I do 20 MPH because of all the Jaywalkers.
Last thing in the world I want to do is talk to a cop,
after the EMT took a Jaywalker to the hospital.

Taxes I'll re-emphasize,  I'm willing to pay taxes for the public
good, but not for some political agenda.
Most taxes here in Hawaii are political
agenda driven.

I've been to the Philippines and Okinawa.
Didn't drive off base in either place.
But from what I saw traffic laws are
pretty much useless.

One of my favorite songs is "I can't drive 55".

Be well friend.






drck1000

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #188 on: June 09, 2020, 10:28:59 AM »
Off topic, but regarding highway design and speed limits, that was something that I dealt with for many years in my old job.  In a nutshell, there are design parameters based on physics.  Can't fake or argue with physics.  Want to try arguing with physics, have someone hold a 45 lb plate over your foot and have them drop it. . .

Then there's posted speed limits.  In general, there is logic applied to posted speed limits, which are beyond the parameters based on physics.  For example, designs of highways in 55 mph posted areas can safely accommodate the physics of MOST vehicles at higher speeds.  However, there aren't any strict rules on that, nor are there rules preventing someone from posting less than the posted limit recommended by design. 

Then like anything in life, you have to account for the dumbasses that will do what the like no matter what.  I remember a case where my company got sued because a drunk driver was going 95 mph (and possibly faster) in a section that was posted at 45 mph, blew through a guardrail (that was designed to stop a car that is going well over 45 mph) and died.  Case got to trial and the jury awarded damages to the family of the drunk driver citing that designers should have anticipated drunk drivers going beyond the speed limit.  Yeah, I can see a REASONABLE person would assume going maybe 15-20 mph over the speed limit and drunk, but not more than twice the posted speed limit. 

Anyways. . .  :stopjack:

groveler

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #189 on: June 09, 2020, 11:33:51 AM »
Off topic, but regarding highway design and speed limits, that was something that I dealt with for many years in my old job.  In a nutshell, there are design parameters based on physics.  Can't fake or argue with physics.  Want to try arguing with physics, have someone hold a 45 lb plate over your foot and have them drop it. . .

Then there's posted speed limits.  In general, there is logic applied to posted speed limits, which are beyond the parameters based on physics.  For example, designs of highways in 55 mph posted areas can safely accommodate the physics of MOST vehicles at higher speeds.  However, there aren't any strict rules on that, nor are there rules preventing someone from posting less than the posted limit recommended by design. 

Then like anything in life, you have to account for the dumbasses that will do what the like no matter what.  I remember a case where my company got sued because a drunk driver was going 95 mph (and possibly faster) in a section that was posted at 45 mph, blew through a guardrail (that was designed to stop a car that is going well over 45 mph) and died.  Case got to trial and the jury awarded damages to the family of the drunk driver citing that designers should have anticipated drunk drivers going beyond the speed limit.  Yeah, I can see a REASONABLE person would assume going maybe 15-20 mph over the speed limit and drunk, but not more than twice the posted speed limit. 

Anyways. . .  :stopjack:
Since we are both engineers.
All you can say is
" you can make it fool proof, but you can't make it damn fool proof".
I'm one of those guys that understands "natural selection".
Let it play out.


Flapp_Jackson

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #190 on: June 09, 2020, 12:01:47 PM »
Finally, you admit you are a cop supporter. 


That's NOT a bad thing.

But, you're too ignorant to see that.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #191 on: June 09, 2020, 12:09:47 PM »
SNIP

Not trying to convince anyone.

My only purpose is to make sure that those who subtly try to convince the population that there is no problem with police corruption and brutality and to maintain the status quo are thwarted.
Your "only" purpose?  Well, I think there is a problem with police corruption.   I don't think anyone here was trying to convince you otherwise (sorry, I didn't read all of the posts, so I may be mistaken). 

ren

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #192 on: June 09, 2020, 12:28:20 PM »


White cop saves black youth....no big story. No celebrations

and another police officer saves a minority



White police officer saves black baby
« Last Edit: June 09, 2020, 05:04:54 PM by ren »
Deeds Not Words

ren

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #193 on: June 11, 2020, 12:51:55 PM »
another officer saves a baby
Deeds Not Words

changemyoil66

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #194 on: June 11, 2020, 01:14:07 PM »
Basically the fake news and DS is trying to keep the racial divide alive. 

Kuleana

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #195 on: June 11, 2020, 02:09:42 PM »
Basically the fake news and DS is trying to keep the racial divide alive.

CORRECTION: the DS, their fake news minions, and social justice groups they have compromised are all trying to destroy any attempt by society to adequately address police brutality as well as institutionalized racism that currently exists, in order to maintain the status quo.

drck1000

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #196 on: June 11, 2020, 02:13:09 PM »
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ren

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #197 on: June 11, 2020, 02:47:07 PM »
 ::)
Deeds Not Words

Rocky

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #198 on: June 11, 2020, 03:13:35 PM »
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“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: George Floyd - black man dies under custody of Minneapolis police
« Reply #199 on: June 11, 2020, 03:28:50 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw