Has anyone applied, or attempted to apply, for open carry?  Or was told open carry was only for security guards at the police station?  Pls call me at 255-3066 if so.

I have been thinking about it for some time now.  I'm waiting to see how the en banc oral argument in Young v. Hawaii goes.

Anyone who applies should remember to include rifle and shotgun Open Carry in your application.  It is concealable weapons (e.g.) that have always been suspect.  Long guns, particularly rifles and muskets, have always been held to be protected arms.

If you are looking for plaintiffs for a lawsuit, the case law in support of long guns is on your side.  When it comes to handguns, particularly handguns that are easily and ordinarily carried concealed, you face an uphill battle.

Still no form for OPEN CARRY.


http://www.honolulupd.org/downloads/LTC2018Application.pdf

And have they ever fixed the fees for RAPBACK? The AG is now charging $30 so the $43.25 is still wrong as the statute states "§134-2  Permits to acquire. (i)  No fee shall be charged for permits, or applications for permits, under this section, except for a single fee chargeable by and payable to the issuing county, for individuals applying for their first permit, in an amount equal to the fee charged by the Hawaii criminal justice data center pursuant to section 846-2.7"
https://ag.hawaii.gov/hcjdc/criminal-history-records-check/

So...nobody applied for an Open Carry license?

I haven't found anyone.  Everyone's focus is on CCW.

On a side note, I'm considering changing strategies when it comes to showing demand for permits for legislative actions.   Instead of having people apply for Hawaii open and ccw permits which is difficult to get people to do.   We instead show demand for out of state permits.

 

I haven't found anyone.  Everyone's focus is on CCW.

On a side note, I'm considering changing strategies when it comes to showing demand for permits for legislative actions.   Instead of having people apply for Hawaii open and ccw permits which is difficult to get people to do.   We instead show demand for out of state permits.

I have a out of state permit lol paid alot for it too and don't even leave the state 

Almost no one currently applies because everyone knows it will be automatically denied. If the courts rule favorably for 2A rights, you will see hundreds of applicants.  Let's be honest.   No one wants to waste valuble time on a futile effort.

I have a out of state permit lol paid alot for it too and don't even leave the state 

you also have a lot of guns that you paid a lot of money for and don't shoot... 

Almost no one currently applies because everyone knows it will be automatically denied. If the courts rule favorably for 2A rights, you will see hundreds of applicants.  Let's be honest.   No one wants to waste valuble time on a futile effort.

I used to request a conceal carry most every year,
Last time around I also tried for open carry.
I even complained to the Police commission.
Basically until we get some court rulings
concealed or open carry is dead in Hawaii county.
Plus we got screwed when the Republicans killed
the Hunter bill by inaction.
Hopefully we can get some better people in the courts.
and things will change.

Almost no one currently applies because everyone knows it will be automatically denied. If the courts rule favorably for 2A rights, you will see hundreds of applicants.  Let's be honest.   No one wants to waste valuble time on a futile effort.

Isn't it simply a matter of filling out an application and paying $10?

Isn't it simply a matter of filling out an application and paying $10?

Satisfying government requirements is often more complicated than just showing up and filling out a form.  Not everyone has the flexibility in their lives to take time off from work during Police Dept business hours, deal with traffic based on whenever they could get an appointment, etc.

It's an inconvenience of varying degrees.

you also have a lot of guns that you paid a lot of money for and don't shoot... 

Quarantine

Quarantine

what was your excuse before march 2020?

Almost no one currently applies because everyone knows it will be automatically denied. If the courts rule favorably for 2A rights, you will see hundreds of applicants.  Let's be honest.   No one wants to waste valuble time on a futile effort.

I beg your pardon. Have you ever seen the 10-20 page testimonies I've submitted to the legislature over the years?

Of course now I know better. My idealism deluded me into thinking that facts and reasoned argument could sway Democrats. Okay, maybe sway one Democrat. Okay, maybe get a committee hearing on "allowing" standard capacity magazines for handguns. Talk about "futile effort"! 

I wanted to write the HCPD and DA and tell them I was showing up at a particular public location and would be openly bearing a handgun and a long gun and take the case to court, but was strongly advised by people familiar with the likely consequences not to.

So, hoping for a home run Thursday morning in Young v. Hawaii orals! Not "expecting", hoping. I expect a loss, or a mostly "hollow" victory. 

So, hoping for a home run Thursday morning in Young v. Hawaii orals! Not "expecting", hoping. I expect a loss, or a mostly "hollow" victory. 

A loss in the 9th is still beneficial for us.  It means the State cannot prevent the lawsuit from going to SCOTUS.

Our prospects in SCOTUS has improved dramatically in the past few days.

Also the link for Thursday's hearing if you didn't catch it in the other thread.

Link for the youtube feed on 9/24 at 10:30am

A loss in the 9th is still beneficial for us.  It means the State cannot prevent the lawsuit from going to SCOTUS.

Our prospects in SCOTUS has improved dramatically in the past few days.

Maybe. But if there is a "hollow victory", one in which the "new right" to be imposed on the state is so "narrow" such that Mr. Young and three other people in the whole state now qualify to receive unloaded open carry permits/licenses while the rest of us languish legally unarmed in public due to the remaining or new criteria... well, we won and thus can't appeal, but we've gained virtually nothing. I believe the Nichols v Newsom case is much more likely to have a wider effect on our rights. But everything at this point is (baseless?) conjecture, so... wait until mid 2021 (?) for the next step to unfold.

I mean, seriously, can anyone really imagine people walking around Hawaii open carrying in public? While Democrats control the legislature by 92%, with even a higher percentage of the executive and judicial branches? They're gonna be throwing a ton of shit all over walls to see if anything at all sticks while the years go by... and by... and by. Just my two cents.

Satisfying government requirements is often more complicated than just showing up and filling out a form.  Not everyone has the flexibility in their lives to take time off from work during Police Dept business hours, deal with traffic based on whenever they could get an appointment, etc.

It's an inconvenience of varying degrees.

What are the requirements?  Can you provide a link to the requirements?

A loss in the 9th is still beneficial for us.  It means the State cannot prevent the lawsuit from going to SCOTUS.

Our prospects in SCOTUS has improved dramatically in the past few days.

True, if Young loses then nothing stops him from filing a cert petition.  But if his cert petition is granted then nothing stops Hawaii from granting him a license to carry a handgun, openly or concealed, for at least three years.  That would moot his case deader than NYSRPA v. NYC.

Our prospects in SCOTUS might dramatically improve if Trump gets a pro-gun justice confirmed.  That is not a done deal.

What are the requirements?  Can you provide a link to the requirements?

I was speaking in general terms regarding the variety of ways applicants must rearrange their lives to show up to fill out the form and pay the fee (as you put it), demonstrating that the process is not isolated to those 2 actions.