I don't like Republicans and I despise Democrats.
Trump gets a raw deal from both.
I don't like Trump all that much, but he gets results.
Something I learned as a project engineer,
if you give someone an assignment, and it gets done,
even if you don't like how they did it, keep your
mouth shut and support them.
The mission is what is important.
Mission in this case is Keep Americans
free, wealthy, and safe.

It takes a strong leader to keep going in the same direction and thought, even though being bashed daily and for any decision you make. Idk of any stronger leadership characteristic.

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It takes a strong leader to keep going in the same direction and thought, even though being bashed daily and for any decision you make. Idk of any stronger leadership characteristic.

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Strong doesn't mean smart or good though. Chairman Mao was a strong leader too.

I have come to the conclusion that Trump is a very terrible leader. He is a decent decision maker but a terrible leader.

Would you have a really "well spoken" and effective (at least in your mind) leader who leads naive sheep to their demise?  Allowing the lower and middle classes to fight things out while the 1% continue to prosper in anonymity? 

No, I don't want that.  We had enough of that already with the "chosen one".

Biden had 40 years in government and 8 years as VP under "The Great Uniter."

Yet, things didn't start to improve until Trump won.

Now they want to incite violence, usher in a recession and blame him for a viral infection -- anything to lessen his chances of being reelected.

Results matter.  Feelings are ever-changing.  Lots of people felt good about Obama -- all the way to the unemployment office and foreclosure court.

  Lots of people felt good about Obama --

Strength is not defined by murdering anyone and everyone who opposes you.

Would you have a really "well spoken" and effective (at least in your mind) leader who leads naive sheep to their demise?  Allowing the lower and middle classes to fight things out while the 1% continue to prosper in anonymity? 

No, I don't want that.  We had enough of that already with the "chosen one".

I would rather not have a leader that:
Lies through his teeth constantly
Makes us look like a laughing stock of the world
Undermines trust in our government and the presidency
Jokes/proposes/entertains unconstitutional ideas
Praises dictators
Blatantly ignores ethical standards
Fosters the racial divide
etc.

I would rather not have a leader that:
Lies through his teeth constantly
Every Family in America will save $2600/yr.
Pulling us out of Iraq wasn't MY idea.
If Congress will give me trillions in stimulus money, I'll use it to make shovel-ready jobs.
...

Makes us look like a laughing stock of the world




Undermines trust in our government and the presidency
Too many to pick from...


Jokes/proposes/entertains unconstitutional ideas
Top 10 Ways Obama Violated the Constitution during His Presidency
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/top-10-ways-obama-violated-constitution-during-presidency

Praises dictators
"And I said this to President Castro in Cuba. I said, look, you've made great progress
in educating young people. Every child in Cuba gets a basic education — that's a huge
improvement from where it was. Medical care— the life expectancy of Cubans is equivalent
to the United States, despite it being a very poor country, because they have access to health
care. That's a huge achievement. They should be congratulated. But you drive around Havana
and you say this economy is not working. It looks like it did in the 1950s." --Obama

Blatantly ignores ethical standards
          

Fosters the racial divide
"The police officer acted stupidly."
If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin.
Chicago shootings are up?  Let's send the AG to investigate ... that White-Hispanic guy in Florida instead.
etc.


I have many criticisms about the direction Obama took this country but he was by far a better leader.  Being well spoken is part of the job, half the work a president does is talking, negotiating, and leading. A leader who makes the right strategic or tactical decision but then utterly fails to lead is no less dangerous than a charismatic person who can't make good decisions.

I would rather not have a leader that:
Lies through his teeth constantly
Makes us look like a laughing stock of the world
Undermines trust in our government and the presidency
Jokes/proposes/entertains unconstitutional ideas
Praises dictators
Blatantly ignores ethical standards
Fosters the racial divide
etc.


I have many criticisms about the direction Obama took this country but he was by far a better leader.  Being well spoken is part of the job, half the work a president does is talking, negotiating, and leading. A leader who makes the right strategic or tactical decision but then utterly fails to lead is no less dangerous than a charismatic person who can't make good decisions.

I rather think of Obama as being the leader of the lemmings.
He may have been a great leader to them, and they willingly follow.
Looks like they are still running off the cliff.
I'm just standing aside and watching.

The president is fully aware that his ‘recess’ appointments are both unconstitutional and an egregious display
of executive overreach. Even Attorney General Eric Holder, a professional obfuscator, and the Office of Legal
Counsel (OLC) only managed a feeble defense of President Obama’s actions before getting back to more pressing
matters, like covering up the Fast and Furious scandal.

The OLC issued an opinion that dismissed pro forma sessions as merely parliamentary ploys, not real sessions.
This could not be more disingenuous, particularly in light of the administration’s reliance on a pro forma session to
pass a two month extension of the payroll tax cut in December.

Worse, the OLC opinion argued that the executive branch should essentially have the authority to determine when
the Senate is unavailable to perform its constitutional obligations. This is an extraordinary claim. Nowhere in the
Constitution is the executive vested with this power. Instead, each chamber explicitly holds the power to determine
its own rules and proceedings.

The Founding Fathers, motivated to form a new nation in large part by their negative experiences with executive
overreach, would be dismayed by the utter disregard this President has shown for the Constitution and separation of
powers.

Obama was a great leader
the same way Jim Jones, David Koresh, and Osama Bin Laden were "Great Leaders".

By all accounts, Hitler was a great leader, too.  As were Alexander the Great, Attila the Hun and every Czar in Russia & the USSR.

There is no standard template for what makes a leader capable.  A leader has the ability to motivate people to follow him and to work toward a common goal.

When you hear, "The ends justifies the means," that's a sign you're backing the wrong leader.  So far, I've never heard Trump do or say anything that demonstrates he believes that.  Obama, however ....

To President Obama, the ends justify the means

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/the-administration/205379-rep-todd-rokita-r-ind