It's coming.

https://gyazo.com/b93d52627f2f86fd24f7ec7127e2479a

I know that Duncan v Becerra is still in the works but you should probably stock just in case.

I bought $400 worth of mags today, including for guns I don't own yet.  You never know how things will go with the courts and the presidential election.  Locally, I'm optimistic on the gun rights environment in the short and medium terms will stop a total mag ban.  People are getting more active in gun rights, we're on track to stop a big gun control bill this year, and elections are looking good here.  However if we don't win a  mag ban case in court, then it'll be a long while till we can buy them again.

i have a question...

If the mag ban does happen will it go into effect asap or will we have leeway until it goes into affect?

i have a question...

If the mag ban does happen will it go into effect asap or will we have leeway until it goes into affect?

Effective when the governor signs it.

Effective when the governor signs it.

Thanks!

Anyone want to split a case (100) of AR-15 PMags with me?

I was thinking over getting AK platform mags, but I'll probably never get one.

The folks at HGS have choke mags, just bought a bunch from them. I don't know if Xring is still doing that buy 4 get 1 free deal. That was last week, but I'll check tomorrow if they're open.

Let's talk Duncan v Becerra. If that gets resolved, wouldn't all of this be pointless?  I think they would only do this if they knew things would fall into their favor or they don't give a shit and just want to delay things as far and as much as they can for people.

I was thinking over getting AK platform mags, but I'll probably never get one.

The folks at HGS have choke mags, just bought a bunch from them. I don't know if Xring is still doing that buy 4 get 1 free deal. That was last week, but I'll check tomorrow if they're open.

"Free" mags cost too much (i.e. membership fees).

How is this enforced?
Are mags gonna be serialized if current ones are grandfathered?
What if I get em shipped after the ban to me as parts kits from mainland?

Sorry, this is the first I’m hearing of this

How is this enforced?
Are mags gonna be serialized if current ones are grandfathered?
What if I get em shipped after the ban to me as parts kits from mainland?

Sorry, this is the first I’m hearing of this

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20200305/hawaii-senate-passes-mag-ban-ammo-restrictions#:~:text=Senate%20Bill%202519%20SD%202,any%20transfer%20other%20than%20inheritance.

How is this enforced?
Are mags gonna be serialized if current ones are grandfathered?
What if I get em shipped after the ban to me as parts kits from mainland?

Sorry, this is the first I’m hearing of this

As far as enforcement, the ONLY way to allow the grandfathered mags is, as you said, to serialize them and have the serial numbers recorded on or with the firearm registration.  Without that, there's no way to tell if the mag was acquired after the ban unless (1) the Cops caught you receiving the mag after the ban date, or (2) if they can tell the date of manufacture was after that date.

I'd love for a couple thousand family members who don't own a single firearm to show up at HPD on one day to register a magazine they were "gifted".      If HPD tries to use the firearm registry as a vehicle for mag registration, that'll throw a giant monkey wrench into the works.

When it comes to parts kits, a disassembled magazine holds exactly zero rounds -- perfectly legal.   

The primary means of enforcement is through retailers. None can sell them so none can get them--unless they go through the illegal black market, which for some reason laws can't seem to affect.  Online retailers?  They can refuse to sell you.

Serialized it? That will fucking take forever. 

If you own PMAGS those things have manufacturing date on the side, so if it's made on or after the law was signed, you in deep doodoo.  Hexmags have them too, I think. I don't know about the rest.

Just buy the really old metal STANAG ones. No dates on the older ones.

Its not illegal to remove the dates on ALL mags.

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Its not illegal to remove the dates on ALL mags.

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Yeah, sounds about right. So then there's really no way of proving you bought after the law other than the police watching you buying one.

Its so stupid do these guys even think things through or do they just pass laws what idiots. No one is going to listen to this and im not gunna serialize crap. Hope there is a clause in the law that says law enforcement is exempt!!!!!

I believe it so that they can add more charges if you ever get in trouble

I believe it so that they can add more charges if you ever get in trouble

I used to believe that until recently.  Now my theory is, they pass laws like red flag BS so they can get a warrant to search your spaces.  Even if the red flag hearing allows you to have your guns back, the state will use anything the Cops found in their search as a means to separate you from your guns.

RED FLAG REPORT  ->
  Cops get court order  ->
     Cops show up to take your guns ->
         While searching for any "additional" guns or ammo, or other weapons that could threaten their safety, the Cops find a banned, unregistered mag ->
             Court dismisses Red Flag complaint as unfounded ->
                  State prosecutes you for the contraband  ->
                      You're now a felon ->
                          Your guns are gone for good.

Our gun laws are a mine field of felonies just waiting for you to step on one so the state can make everyone "safer!"   

Time to join Inspector in AZ.

Time to join Inspector in AZ.

Working on it.  GD Chinese virus is keeping us off airplanes to go house hunting.

I used to believe that until recently.  Now my theory is, they pass laws like red flag BS so they can get a warrant to search your spaces.  Even if the red flag hearing allows you to have your guns back, the state will use anything the Cops found in their search as a means to separate you from your guns.

RED FLAG REPORT  ->
  Cops get court order  ->
     Cops show up to take your guns ->
         While searching for any "additional" guns or ammo, or other weapons that could threaten their safety, the Cops find a banned, unregistered mag ->
             Court dismisses Red Flag complaint as unfounded ->
                  State prosecutes you for the contraband  ->
                      You're now a felon ->
                          Your guns are gone for good.

Our gun laws are a mine field of felonies just waiting for you to step on one so the state can make everyone "safer!"   

Red flag laws itself are unconstitutional, as it directly violates the 4th amendment. You can have your property seized unlawfully based on lies--perhaps you have a neighbor or some damn Karen who hates your ass; they can petition to have your weapons taken under false pretenses, all without you knowing about it. Well, you'll know about it when only after the PD shows up to take your shit.

It as damn mystery why none of our leaders caught this glaring flaw in the law. I don't really think they even know the Constitution.  Maybe they do, but then that would be worse.

Ladies and gentleman, we are having our democracy chipped away bit by bit. Soon it will be an autocracy. Why? Well, only autocrats work against Blackstone's Ratio.

Blackstone's Ratio states that it's better for 10 guilty to escape justice than for 1 innocent to suffer unjustly.  The direct opposite, which is probably already the mentality of the modern times are, it's better for 10 innocent to suffer unjustly than 1 guilty to escape justice.

Don't fucking leave. That's why this state's gone to shit. People leave and take their talents elsewhere. That leaves us with not much.  Not meaning to offend here, but our best don't stay here. 

This is home. Let's both defend it and cultivate it.