Mag Ban Incoming (Read 35576 times)

Rocky

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2020, 07:05:35 PM »
One sign of wear is where you take a fully loaded mag and give it a whack from the bottom and the top round pops out.  Not a big deal for the methods we've been taught, or at least exposed to.  But I have seen it cause problems, albeit rare instances.  Other than that, I've thought about replacing the springs and followers on some of my oldest mags, but I actually want to see how they continue to "age".  None have been giving me problems, so good test case.  That and I add fresh mags into the mix every so often, to the point where it might be a while between uses of some of my older mags. 

Every so often a couple of buddies on the mainland have a mass order and they cut me in on some of the deals.  It's been a while since the last one.  Maybe I'll hit them up to see what's up.  :hmm:
  :grrr:
One sign of wear is where you take a fully loaded mag and give it a whack from the bottom and the the mag falls out
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Specter01

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2020, 01:17:55 PM »
Here we go.
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Inspector

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2020, 01:30:22 PM »
Time to join Inspector in AZ.
Come on out! The weather is beautiful out here.
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Inspector

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2020, 01:34:51 PM »
Working on it.  GD Chinese virus is keeping us off airplanes to go house hunting.
I read today there is a new Chinese Virus that is being reported. You better get out here before that one hits us!

Seriously, if you need help with anything, let me know. I can do a little recon for you if you need. Also, if you need a agent referral I have a good one I can give you either here or in Phoenix.
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Inspector

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2020, 02:17:49 PM »
Maybe not, but a few of us can be a counterweight to those Calif liberals that bring their attitudes.

In Yavapai county where I am looking, it is not at all like Phoenix politically.   Granted, Phoenix is a monster in the state like LA/SF, Portland, etc.   But the outlying counties have a much stronger individualistic background.

Better to live out what years I have left in an area not feeling like I am behind enemy lines as here.  My smattering of tactical gear makes my wife nervous as well.

"What do you need this for?"   She does not like my answer.
You are absolutely right about Yavapai County. You would have been proud seeing all the patriots come out all carrying rifles to protect the downtown businesses on the day that BLM marched thru the streets of downtown Prescott. They paid for a permit to do this. They antagonized the patriots and the patriots said nothing. They didn’t have to, their guns spoke for them. It is definitely a tight knit community. I see Trump supporters on the corners waving Trump flags, etc. Guys drive around here with American flags, Gadsden Flags and Trump flags on their trucks. Politicians advertise they are Republican or Trump supporter. People walk around open carry. Everybody talks about guns. I don’t have to worry about whether the person I am talking to is going to start screaming Nazi at me. Oh, services are SO much cheaper here. My wife’s hair used to cost me 2 bills every time she went plus tip. She just went last week and it was $53 with the tip. Those of you who know me know I have very little hair. A haircut in Fantastic Sams plus my beard trim was about $35 with tip. I went last month and it was under $15 with tip. I buy the same groceries every week here as I did there. I spend less than half of what I spent there. There are more American cars and trucks on the roads here than foreign cars and trucks. Oh, and the LGS here are very different here. Everyone’s shelves are kind of empty. But one of the LGS really caters to us reloaders. Electricity and water is reasonable here. We have natural gas here as well. It can get quite windy here, tho. But did I mention the weather here is terrific so far? We are in the monsoon season right now but I have yet to experience the heavy rains here. Oh, the first week I was here in April it hailed for a minute or two. I have seen a couple of King snakes. Lots of lizards and rabbits. And Pronghorn are around up in the mountains and out on the flats sometimes. When it cools off in the fall my nephew and I are going to find a place out in the desert and just shoot. Also there are a couple of big ranges we are going to shoot at. For now I am going to my local indoor range and shooting pistol. From a holster. As fast as I care to shoot. As often as I care to go.

Yeah, I’m loving it here.
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6716J

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2020, 02:43:01 PM »
#1 - tying the mag capacity of rifles to pistols was a stupid thing to do at all.  It should have been struck from the law long ago -- or never added to start with.  The crossing out of pistol and replacing with firearm was to do away with this illogical relationship someone decided was reasonable long ago.  That part I actually agree with.  Unless they can publish a list of rifles allowed to have >10 rd mags, or a list of the rifles that can't, it's stupid to leave it up to the owner to know if such an arbitrary and ambiguous clause applies to his specific rifle.  Look at the Ruger 10/22.  A good example where the pistol is sold here now, but wasn't always.  People still can buy the 25 rd mags for their rifles, though.  Too confusing and unenforced/unenforceable.  Yeah, it's rimfire vs, centerfire, but nothing in the law addresses that, either.

#2 - Splitting hairs with definitions is not going to be "good to go" at all.  Is a semi-auto assault-style rifle no longer classified as a rifle? A pistol which accepts a removable mag is still a pistol no matter how many other adjectives you shove before the name. 

#3 - The gray area is that in Hawaii, you have to (a) weld the mag into the magwell (no longer detachable) or (b) disable the gas system (no longer a semi-auto).  Regardless, the fact is, the pistol still exists, can be legally owned and can accept detachable mags if configured as non-semi-auto.  Hence, you could insert your 30rd AR mag from your rifle into your manually operated AR pistol.  The laws are written very poorly and create confusion when applied to reality.  I'm just pointing out that the HDF researched it, and their opinion is that the law is clear -- AR mags over 10 rounds are illegal in HI.

Not my opinion.  I'm just pointing out that the matter is far from settled legally.

BTW, if the pistol mag is welded/epoxied, then the 10rd rule doesn't apply to it.   :thumbsup:

And nowhere in the statute does it say that. And i know I've asked, FJ has asked, Zippz asked and hundreds of others have asked. HPD nor the AG will define it, they just refer to the other party pointing their fingers at each other. I always come back to "how can I be in violation of a law, if they can't define it through statute". And  the burden of proof is on them. And yes in the meanwhile i will have spent countless thousands of dollars defending myself and had all of my stuff confiscated. Yes, justice is blind
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

drck1000

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2020, 03:32:38 PM »
Here we go.
He's a cool guy and does a LOT for the 2a community on many levels. 

Took stock of my mags today.  I have a "decent" amount that I've had for many years, but just put in an order for a bit more.

Personally, I like to buy new mags and beat them up myself.  However, there's still a pretty decent market for used mags on the mainland.  I'll have to check to see what's available these days. 

drck1000

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2020, 03:37:38 PM »
  :grrr:
One sign of wear is where you take a fully loaded mag and give it a whack from the bottom and the the mag falls out
I'd very much like to see a demonstration of that.  I wouldn't think that is possible, but when it comes to that stuff, Rocky can do it. . .  :rofl:

changemyoil66

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2020, 08:33:59 PM »
What are the indoor range prices?

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6716J

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Inspector

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2020, 02:14:39 AM »
What are the indoor range prices?

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At the indoor range near me it is $20 per visit. No time limits and basically no restrictions except pistol calibers only. I opted for the yearly membership for $359. I can go as often as I wish with no time limits. Plus they offer a bunch of discounts and freebies on stuff like a CCW class for the membership.
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Specter01

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2020, 05:41:01 AM »
Colorado went down today...

https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/colorados-ban-on-large-capacity-gun-magazines-found-constitutional/73-5e3fd331-e275-4773-8285-85ac96f1603c

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Hawaii legislature's still going to push it through. But at least our side can bolster their argument using Colorado's example.
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wirecounter

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2020, 07:11:04 AM »
At the indoor range near me it is $20 per visit. No time limits and basically no restrictions except pistol calibers only. I opted for the yearly membership for $359. I can go as often as I wish with no time limits. Plus they offer a bunch of discounts and freebies on stuff like a CCW class for the membership.

Do you have to buy their ammo and targets?  If not, do they allow you to use your reloads and collect your brass?

changemyoil66

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2020, 09:17:25 AM »
Here we go.

Support Bushido if you can.  He is 1 of the gun stores that show up to the hearings consistently and writes testimony.  There are a few other stores that do not show up or write testimony, but try and capitalize on the bills.

karlroads

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2020, 09:47:38 AM »
I hope everyone appreciates the gift I've given you so you can keep your grandfathered magazines.  Can you imagine what it's like to have dozens of angry hysterical mothers calling me to complain that I buckled to the big luau gang?

Please vote for me.

Jl808

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #55 on: July 01, 2020, 10:01:56 AM »
^^^ LOL   :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
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Inspector

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2020, 10:11:30 AM »
Do you have to buy their ammo and targets?  If not, do they allow you to use your reloads and collect your brass?
Long time no see!  :wave:

No, you don’t have to buy their ammo or targets. You can buy their ammo and targets if you want but you can shoot your own reloads and bring your own targets. And you can collect your own brass but they are very adamant that you cannot collect any brass in front of the line. So if your brass launches in front of the line it is theirs. Even if it is an inch over. They are very strict about their rules. Here is their range memberships:

https://www.insightshootingcenter.com/memberships

They have 2 sides to the range. The standard public side and a training side which you can practice holster draw and the targets fall so you can practice firing at different targets. They offer training and I get access to training and to the training side based on my membership as well. See the video at the bottom of the page.

https://www.insightshootingcenter.com/training-classes

I am taking my CCW class in July. I kept my 10 round mags so I will have them for the restricted states as my wife and travel around a bit. This range is perfect for me during the hot months but it has not gotten that hot out here more than a handful of days so far. The problem is we are on fire watch restrictions right now. Otherwise my nephew and I could just find any where around here and just shoot (safely). Also, there are outdoor public ranges but they are farther south down lower (hotter) elevation so I’ll wait until it cools off down there before I go. There is another couple of indoor ranges around but I have not checked them out yet.
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Inspector

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2020, 10:13:05 AM »
I hope everyone appreciates the gift I've given you so you can keep your grandfathered magazines.  Can you imagine what it's like to have dozens of angry hysterical mothers calling me to complain that I buckled to the big luau gang?

Please vote for me.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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drck1000

6716J

Re: Mag Ban Incoming
« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2020, 10:55:43 AM »
Colorado went down today...

https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/colorados-ban-on-large-capacity-gun-magazines-found-constitutional/73-5e3fd331-e275-4773-8285-85ac96f1603c

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You guys read this? It upheld the ban on magazines. Not a "W" in the gun rights column. Bans all magazines over 15 rounds. But hell in this state I'd take that
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