Question: How does the process of selling firearms to HI residents with a valid long gun permit work, especially during this whole COVID fiasco?

Usually it's buyer has a valid long gun permit and most meet @ HPD for the same day transfer but now it's try to get an appointment that's apparently into September and wait...

Meet up with the buyer at a "safe" place, one that's on the list of lawful "places to keep", like HPD, the range or the seller's home or place of business.  Parking lots and back allies are risky, but whatever.

If the buyer and seller agree on a price, and the buyer has a valid permit to acquire, and the seller has the funds, the transfer can be made on the spot.

Usually a bill of sale is signed to document the names of the parties and the description of the firearm.  Each person should get a copy.  Also, if the seller has the state registration, a copy of that, or at least the control number on the registration form, would be a good thing to give the seller.  HPD can more easily look up the existing registration with that number.

The buyer then makes an appointment to register. 

For handguns, it takes several trips, since you need a new permit and aren't allowed to receive the firearm without it.  That's why most people choose to do the meet-up at HPD, where the buyer can pick up the permit, money can change hands, the gun can be delivered, and the registration could happen.  With the appointment system like it is, you're forced to pick up the permit and transfer the gun before the permit expires long before you ever register.

Meet up with the buyer at a "safe" place, one that's on the list of lawful "places to keep", like HPD, the range or the seller's home or place of business.  Parking lots and back allies are risky, but whatever.

If the buyer and seller agree on a price, and the buyer has a valid permit to acquire, and the seller has the funds, the transfer can be made on the spot.

Usually a bill of sale is signed to document the names of the parties and the description of the firearm.  Each person should get a copy.  Also, if the seller has the state registration, a copy of that, or at least the control number on the registration form, would be a good thing to give the seller.  HPD can more easily look up the existing registration with that number.

The buyer then makes an appointment to register. 

For handguns, it takes several trips, since you need a new permit and aren't allowed to receive the firearm without it.  That's why most people choose to do the meet-up at HPD, where the buyer can pick up the permit, money can change hands, the gun can be delivered, and the registration could happen.  With the appointment system like it is, you're forced to pick up the permit and transfer the gun before the permit expires long before you ever register.

Do you how much un-constitutional horse $hit that which you just said is?
Go buy the gun you want on the black market and Fvck Hawaiian laws.
There I SAID it.
I'd suggest an MP5.
I know a place in Seattle where I can buy one
from a Samoan gang.
Given how Fvcked up our
government has become that
would be a good choice.

I just had to give a lecture to a guy who
had his Felony conviction expunged on how
to buy a gun in Hawaii and realized just how
much horse shit we tolerate.
I'm done with Democrats,
their government, and their cops.

I have a friend that has about 10,000 acres of land
and I can shoot as I please without begging
some Democrat to open up
a shooting range.

Aloha.

Do you how much un-constitutional horse $hit that which you just said is?
Go buy the gun you want on the black market and Fvck Hawaiian laws.
There I SAID it.
I'd suggest an MP5.
I know a place in Seattle where I can buy one
from a Samoan gang.
Given how Fvcked up our
government has become that
would be a good choice.

I just had to give a lecture to a guy who
had his Felony conviction expunged on how
to buy a gun in Hawaii and realized just how
much horse shit we tolerate.
I'm done with Democrats,
their government, and their cops.

I have a friend that has about 10,000 acres of land
and I can shoot as I please without begging
some Democrat to open up
a shooting range.

Aloha.

I only report the "news."

I leave the commentary to people like you.   

Do you how much un-constitutional horse $hit that which you just said is?
Go buy the gun you want on the black market and Fvck Hawaiian laws.
There I SAID it.
I'd suggest an MP5.
I know a place in Seattle where I can buy one
from a Samoan gang.
Given how Fvcked up our
government has become that
would be a good choice.

I just had to give a lecture to a guy who
had his Felony conviction expunged on how
to buy a gun in Hawaii and realized just how
much horse shit we tolerate.
I'm done with Democrats,
their government, and their cops.

I have a friend that has about 10,000 acres of land
and I can shoot as I please without begging
some Democrat to open up
a shooting range.

Aloha.

Do you have anything helpful to say ever? Every post I've seen of yours has been in an attempt to derail a thread, some weird bragging usually about a friend and their accomplishments/possessions/activities, or your frankly bizarre recommendations on what platform to get.

Are you good, dude? You're the personification of, "Sir, this is a Wendy's."

Question: How does the process of selling firearms to HI residents with a valid long gun permit work, especially during this whole COVID fiasco?

Lotta good recs here.  Usually easiest to do it all at HPD that way you can also be sure the buyer becomes properly liable for the gun. But, given the circumstances, bills of sale and maybe a pic of the buyer's ID and permit to acquire.  Follow up with HPD later for peace of mind if you feel compelled.

Lotta good recs here.  Usually easiest to do it all at HPD that way you can also be sure the buyer becomes properly liable for the gun. But, given the circumstances, bills of sale and maybe a pic of the buyer's ID and permit to acquire.  Follow up with HPD later for peace of mind if you feel compelled.

If you aren’t meeting at HPD, it may be a good idea to get a copy or photo of the buyer ID and permit to acquire.  If I’m the buyer I’d ask for ID and copy of current registration.  Of course black out the SSN section and maybe address if you’re really concerned but that way both sides know it’s on the up and up. 

When I went to HPD to register, it really made it easy when I showed them the picture of the current registration.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=8960.msg86096#msg86096

Kinda good form language on the above thread.
There’s a few threads on this topic.

Now days I’d probably take a down payment And complete the  transaction form, whatever form you choose or make the info is the same. Then wait until the person has their appointment and is close to it to make the transfer.

You can always just make a copy of your registration with the personal info like SSN, address, whatever, redacted/blacked out and just on the bottom of the photo copy that this firearm was sold to:
Name
Permit number
Address
Serial number
Make/model caliber
Date

Validate ID and Have the buyer sign it.

And send in to HPD at the time of the transfer or within couple days of the transfer of the firearm

That’s if you trust the guy and he’s reputable on this forum.

Safest is of course to make the actual transfer at HPD.

Thanks for the replies, there’s a lot to deal with makes me want to consign guns or sell to gun stores if that’s even possible lol

Do you have anything helpful to say ever? Every post I've seen of yours has been in an attempt to derail a thread, some weird bragging usually about a friend and their accomplishments/possessions/activities, or your frankly bizarre recommendations on what platform to get.

Are you good, dude? You're the personification of, "Sir, this is a Wendy's."

I'm sorry if I insult you!
For platforms I base all my recommendations on Ammunition
availability, not what I like to shoot.
We live in a state where they know what guns you have, where
you live and they can take your ammunition away anytime
they want to do so.

This is on the political thread. I try to be as helpful as possible
on the legal, survival and general threads.
You guys give me lots of info.

I share with many people your thoughts.
Not everybody gets on this site and comments.

Thanks for the replies, there’s a lot to deal with makes me want to consign guns or sell to gun stores if that’s even possible lol

Some shops will take them on consignment but their cut varies.  Not sure on the process to consign them but it is possible. I am sure others on the site have more info.

Private sales are really not that big a hassle, and you meet a lot of cool like minded guys.

Thanks for the replies, there’s a lot to deal with makes me want to consign guns or sell to gun stores if that’s even possible lol

Some advice on here is based on HANDGUN transfers (like signing the permit and turning it in).  Since you specified long gun, those comments, while accurate, are just muddying the water for you.

I included some handgun steps in my comment for contrast, but specifically stated it was different from long gun.

Long gun transactions are WAY simpler than for handguns.  Don't let the confusion on here get you nervous.  Just remember these things:

1.  You need to see the buyer's LG permit to acquire and his ID, to make sure they match.  If the terms are agreeable, and you have no suspicions about the buyer's identity, I'd say the deal is ready to be completed. 

2.  A written bill of sale is fine, but you can use online forms if you want.  This paper does 2 things: (1) acts as a receipt for the buyer since they are likely giving you cash, and (2) gives you a record of where your firearm went if anyone ever asks.  I would copy your registration form's control number (usually starts with a "G-") onto the bill of sale, so you don't need to worry about making redacted copies for HPD.  All they need is the number and the seller's name to look it up.

3.  You need to meet in a place that reduces risk, both of being reported/caught showing a gun in public, and for your safety if you don't know the buyer.  Murphy lurks around every corner.  Just because everybody else that transacted a gun sale in Zippy's parking lot had zero problems doesn't mean you won't have a bunch of Cops walk out of the restaurant while the buyer inspects the firearm.   

4.  Once you have the money, the buyer has the weapon, and you both have a bill of sale, the transfer is complete.

5.  Registration is the last hoop to jump through.  The seller has to notify HPD of the transfer within 5 (?)  days in writing (the Hawaii county PD website has a form letter you can use as a template), and the buyer has 5 days to register.  Kinda like DMV, where both parties have to notify DMV of a title transfer.

It's really simple.  Use common sense.  If the buyer asks you to meet behind Femme Nu when they get off work at 3AM, I'd probably find another buyer!   

How about this situation.

Potential long gun buyer is on Oahu with a legal hnl county permit to acquire long gun.

Seller is outer island (not hnl county)

Buyer visits family on outer island and agrees to purchase long gun with his legal permit to acquire in private party sale with seller. Transaction done in person.(Copies of registration and permit to acquire all shared, done the right way etc)

Is buyer ok to purchase in another county app app this transaction? Will they have any issue registering in Oahu? Can't get anyone on the phone at hpd to verify

With the caveat that I’m not an attorney, should be ok per HRS 134.

Looks like this part also applies:

“In all cases where a rifle or shotgun is acquired from another person within the State, the person who is transferring title to the rifle or shotgun shall submit, within forty-eight hours after transferring the firearm, to the authority that issued the permit to acquire, the following information, in writing:  name of the person who transferred the firearm, name of the person to whom the title to the firearm was transferred; names of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; and serial number, as applicable.”

So seller would need to provide that info to HPD, as I read it.

The old HRS made no mention of the selling verifying that the buyer has a valid PTA.  I wonder if this was changed in the SB1230 revisions.

With the caveat that I’m not an attorney, should be ok per HRS 134.

Looks like this part also applies:

“In all cases where a rifle or shotgun is acquired from another person within the State, the person who is transferring title to the rifle or shotgun shall submit, within forty-eight hours after transferring the firearm, to the authority that issued the permit to acquire, the following information, in writing:  name of the person who transferred the firearm, name of the person to whom the title to the firearm was transferred; names of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; and serial number, as applicable.”

So seller would need to provide that info to HPD, as I read it.

Thank you that wouldn't be a problem.

watchu selling?