Okay, I've been nice, but THAT was the stupidest thing you've posted tonight.

I was talking about taxes, and you erupted with a tirade on everything EXCEPT taxes!

And you need to look up the ratio of PP's abortion business vs other services.  In fact, most of the non-abortion services they claim to do is CONTRACTED OUT to other facilities, because PP does not do those services themselves.

Go to bed -- and thanks for playing.....   

If you bothered to read the link I posted, you'd see that they really are "Abortions-R-Us":

And now this ...

You do know that taxes, grants etc fund most of those things right?  My bad on not specifying on insurance,  you personally fund that.  Not through taxes but functions the same. 

The fact that PP does alot of abortions doesn't discount the other things they provide...many of those might not be 100% quantitative like sex education, testing, etc.

That is a false statement, as I noted in my comment: There are philosophical, ethical, medical, and legal arguments against abortion that are in no way dependent upon any religious belief or doctrine.

Please explain those concepts.  I have never heard them being in used before.

The fact that you aren't familiar with any arguments against abortion except for "religious" ones says a lot about your level of knowledge and interest in inquiry into the issues involved. It's not my fault you are ignorant. I'm not going to spoon feed you. The issues are complex, and require some degree of time-consuming reading of "abstract" concepts (philosophy, in particular, is like that. See, for example, Peter Singer's 450 page tome re the question of whether nonhuman animals deserve ethical consideration, and to what degree... then apply those concepts to pre-born humans. It can't be adequately summed up in a couple of sentences.).

If you want to expand your horizons (which you could have already done long ago on your own if you were truly interested in understanding the complexities of the questions involved) you can just input "philosophical/ethical/medical/legal arguments against abortion" into a search engine and each inquiry will give you enough reading material for a few hours of fun exploration.

As for me, this thread and it being hijacked re "abortion", I'm done. 

You do know that taxes, grants etc fund most of those things right?  My bad on not specifying on insurance,  you personally fund that.  Not through taxes but functions the same. 

The fact that PP does alot of abortions doesn't discount the other things they provide...many of those might not be 100% quantitative like sex education, testing, etc.

I have a choice as to what, if any, private insurance I pay into.

Taxes are theft.  Someone who pretends to champion liberty and freedom should understand how that works.

You do know that taxes, grants etc fund most of those things right?  My bad on not specifying on insurance,  you personally fund that.  Not through taxes but functions the same. 

The fact that PP does alot of abortions doesn't discount the other things they provide...many of those might not be 100% quantitative like sex education, testing, etc.

Testing, sex ed, and all the other "services" you cite are already provided by other agencies and companies.  No need for PP to do those things.  As I said already, PP doesn't provide more than a small fraction of those "other services" themselves.  They farm those out to the other agencies I'm talking about rather than provide them at PP facilities.

Please provide PROOF if you think that's not true.

Testing, sex ed, and all the other "services" you cite are already provided by other agencies and companies.  No need for PP to do those things.  As I said already, PP doesn't provide more than a small fraction of those "other services" themselves.  They farm those out to the other agencies I'm talking about rather than provide them at PP facilities.

Please provide PROOF if you think that's not true.

I've said before I've used pp to do plenty of non abortion  things.  I'm talking from experience. Yes you can do it at other places.  Just like you can go shopping at many different places is just another option and in my opinion a great one that I actually used over my pcp doctor.

What's your reply to post #36?

I've said before I've used pp to do plenty of non abortion  things.  I'm talking from experience. Yes you can do it at other places.  Just like you can go shopping at many different places is just another option and in my opinion a great one that I actually used over my pcp doctor.

What's your reply to post #36?

Those "other places" are not performing abortions.  They are providing services that do not involve the termination of life.  That includes not taking taxes for their group to support performing abortions.

In other words, abortion is PP's niche market.  All the other "related" services are not in their niche.  It's like a car wash offering floor mats and other automotive accessories for sale so you can browse/buy while you wait.  Nobody goes there for the center console trashcan and cup holder.  They are there for the car wash.  Walmart and many others offer the same accessories, but don't do car washes.  We're talking about abortions -- PP's #1 service. 

They perform 40% of all abortions in the US -- maybe more.  arguing they provide "other services" is a misdirection, not an actual justification.  If PP stopped doing abortions, they could still provide the other services.  But if they did, we know they'd go out of business, don't we?

Those "other places" are not performing abortions.  They are providing services that do not involve the termination of life.  That includes not taking taxes for their group to support performing abortions.

In other words, abortion is PP's niche market.  All the other "related" services are not in their niche.  It's like a car wash offering floor mats and other automotive accessories for sale so you can browse/buy while you wait.  Nobody goes there for the center console trashcan and cup holder.  They are there for the car wash.  Walmart and many others offer the same accessories, but don't do car washes.  We're talking about abortions -- PP's #1 service. 

They perform 40% of all abortions in the US -- maybe more.  arguing they provide "other services" is a misdirection, not an actual justification.  If PP stopped doing abortions, they could still provide the other services.  But if they did, we know they'd go out of business, don't we?

Even if we just shoehorn them into abortion services. There are many services people who do not believe in and are receiving tax dollars this is no different.   Aka churches, oil companies, war the list can go on forever. 

Even if we just shoehorn them into abortion services. There are many services people who do not believe in and are receiving tax dollars this is no different.   Aka churches, oil companies, war the list can go on forever.

Churches don't get taxes.  The get to reduce the money they owe the IRS for donations, mostly because the government recognizes that churches do a large number of things that benefit society and the communities they serve.

Homeless shelters
Soup Kitchens
Public service projects
Hospital visits and volunteering
Food, clothing and other drives to help victims of natural disasters

Lots of their service overlap the things government tries to do.  I understand if you didn't know any of this.  You'd have to go to church to find out about all the things the accomplish in the name of "pushing their opinions on others."   

War?  The government has few specific duties mandated in that Constitution you like to wave around.  One is the duty to provide for the common defense, raise Armies and establish a standing Navy.  War is the government's monopoly.  Bill Gates or Exxon can't declare war on a foreign power.

Technically, we are not at war in Iraq and Afghanistan.  That was a sanctioned UN effort to combat terrorism.  We (the US) did not issue a declaration of war to any of these nations' leaders.  So "War" is not a valid description.