Much to wife’s, and 2 daughter’s chagrin, I’m still on the Trump wagon for four more years.
My brother has the same problem in his household.
Out voted 3 to1 in our own houses.

Convinced Trump has divided society, as well as households.
There is no discussing it with whoever is on what side.

Still think Trump’s a social media dumbass and says stupid shit, does stupid shit and lies through his teeth ( exaggerates)
But he’s actually done a pretty decent job for the Country. ( other than acting Presidential)

Biden’s just pure incompetent.
Scares me to think he might be President.

This pretty much sums it up for me as well. I’ve learned to accept that Trump is who he is and that at the end of the day I vote for policy not how a president makes me “feel.”

I’ve come to terms with the idea that trump will probably lose. Despite all the good he’s done in America, he’s simply not strong enough to defeat the media.

For omnigun, you say Trump hasn’t done anything for the 2A? Have you been asleep? 3 (hopefully) pro 2A Supreme Court judges and he’s basically changed the 9th circuit giving us a much more favorable pool of judges for us to win gun cases. How is that not a win for us?

Now see, most of the MSM don't mention that. . . wonder why. . .

It wasn't until the gun rights cases made news in the 9th Circuit that I realized just how many Justices are appointed by various administrations.  And just how many Justices are in given Circuits.  It's staggering.  Look at some of the Justices that are still in the 9th Circuit and which administration they got in under.

I’ve come to terms with the idea that trump will probably lose. Despite all the good he’s done in America, he’s simply not strong enough to defeat the media.

For omnigun, you say Trump hasn’t done anything for the 2A? Have you been asleep? 3 (hopefully) pro 2A Supreme Court judges and he’s basically changed the 9th circuit giving us a much more favorable pool of judges for us to win gun cases. How is that not a win for us?

Edit: to be clear at one point I myself decided that I wouldn’t vote for trump, especially after the fuckhead Republicans let the hearing act die. There’s just too much at stake to not vote Trump.

Climate change :facepalm:  The issue, oh supremely enlightened one isn't dispute that climate is changing.  It is ALWAYS changing.  The issue is what is the cause and what regulations, cost to Americans, etc are warranted.  Again, if you're going to argue a point, make sure you actually know what you're talking about.  Going off half cocked only makes you look more and more ignorant. 

Correct climate is always changing, this time for the worse and at fault of humans.  Not sure what costs you can place on human survival....

COVID?  Ok, riddle me this.  Had the media not blitzed things into "Global Pandemic", would your irrational fears have changed?  To clarify, I'm not saying that COVID isn't serious, but explain to me exactly how you think Trump failed?  If you're going to compare responses of other countries, please cite specific examples, and don't be like "well, North Korea did this".  Would you rather have had Trump shut down WA, CA, and NY and closed off the states at the height of things there? 

Okay I can give 2 countries that did ALOT better than us, democratic and modeled after us to an extent.  Japan and Taiwan.  They encouraged mask usage which scientifically does help.  Trump is anti mask.   They also embraced contact tracing and had a detailed plan from the top down to deal with the virus.  Look at those countries today and how many deaths vs us.  Hell yes he should of shut everything down from the start,  test everyone,  tell everyone to wear masks.  Eliminate the virus then open shit up.  IDK how you can possibly argue his method was the correct one at this point.

So Trump is also a failure at foreign policy because China is getting stronger and bolder?  Ok, tell me how Obama was any better and Biden would be better. 

Never said they did better but Trump ran on promises to fix it. Never did.  IF you cant do it don't promise it

So again, which policies are you referring to?  You seem to know everything, enlighten us old fogies. 

Its mostly a lack of polices that are fucking us up.  Trump changes his point of view faster than biden forgets his

My point, is that people who have this irrational hatred for Trump typically don't have a rational answer for why the alternative is better.

I've learned not to count my chickens before they hatch.  The supreme court is a a future prospect.  Unless you have proof otherwise Trump has not passed nor advocated for any pro gun laws or executive orders or anything.

Also judges are not a only 2a agenda its alot more convoluted like abortion, healthcare and millions of other things.

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If you want to talk about dividing society, I still think Obama was the best at doing that.  Just in a way that many American's didn't realize, as well as "low information methods".  JMHO.

Climate change :facepalm:  The issue, oh supremely enlightened one isn't dispute that climate is changing.  It is ALWAYS changing.  The issue is what is the cause and what regulations, cost to Americans, etc are warranted.

I fail to see how that has anything to do with what I wrote. Trumps appointed judges will allow us better chances when taking gun cases to the courts.

I fail to see how that has anything to do with what I wrote. Trumps appointed judges will allow us better chances when taking gun cases to the courts.

Trump’s legacy, if he loses, will be Supreme Court Justices.

1) Correct climate is always changing, this time for the worse and at fault of humans.  Not sure what costs you can place on human survival....

2) Okay I can give 2 countries that did ALOT better than us, democratic and modeled after us to an extent.  Japan and Taiwan.  They encouraged mask usage which scientifically does help.  Trump is anti mask.   They also embraced contact tracing and had a detailed plan from the top down to deal with the virus.  Look at those countries today and how many deaths vs us.  Hell yes he should of shut everything down from the start,  test everyone,  tell everyone to wear masks.  Eliminate the virus then open shit up.  IDK how you can possibly argue his method was the correct one at this point.

Never said they did better but Trump ran on promises to fix it. Never did.  IF you cant do it don't promise it

3) Its mostly a lack of polices that are fucking us up.  Trump changes his point of view faster than biden forgets his

Or democrats will use his method of adding a judge last minute to advocate packing the court with 6 more liberals.

Oh my sweet summer child. . .

1) Ok, what proof do you have that it is "worse and at fault of humans".  You're so into tangibles. . . And how will polices like AOC's counter that?  To clarify, I'm not saying that humans don't impact climate change, I want people to consider the science of it when deciding what is best for everyone else AND imposing those policies on everyone.  There's a difference there. . .

I've never said AOC has the best plan to deal with it.  Just that trumps plan of nothing or exploring more fossil fuels and pollution is worse. https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

2) You do understand that the concept of personal freedoms are different in those countries. . .

Yes this is tricky, but leading from example will go a LONG way.  IF we just used masks from the beginning we would end up more like japan.  Which followed a closer approach to what some America did, no shutdowns etc.  Then again we are in America and hawaii has shutdown and has some of the lowest rates.  So there no solid answer here.  But I can say trump did a very poor job.  And is anti science. Literally said it himself.   

3) What, hold up. . . so are you mad at what Trump did?  Or didn't do?  Just seems like you're just plain mad, mostly at Trump.

The lack of action is bad.  If you are a firefighter just watching a house burn clearly isn't your job. Sure you didnt start the fire.  But its your job to do something. 

Only if they control the Senate and 6 more die or retire.
And there’s a Democratic President at the same time.

I’m not lumping on you Omni. I’m just saying. Think about it.

Sigh. . .

Just because one doesn't SEE or FEEL the benefit of one's actions, doesn't mean it didn't happen.  In this case, even with out a "pic" shown on MSM, social media, etc, it did happen.  Now, even in light of facts of the matter, irrational one is still arguing because of a perceived personal slight.

I edited a comment but i'll put it here

Literally any time in the last 4 years he could of said, lets pass national carry.  Or lets pass no magazine restrictions federally.  Or lets abolish the ATF restrictions on silencers and short barreled rifles. Or millions of other things.  Hell republicans had FULL control of house, senate and Whitehouse in the beginning.  Nothing would stop him.  Did he do anything?  Nope all empty promises to be pro 2a.  Fool me once, shame on you.   Fool me twice shame on me.

Yes the byproduct of many of his/republicans other agendas might help gun rights.  Is that really all we get?  Is that all he will give us?  After being so pro-2a?

Its why I'm agnostic.  I like tangibles.   Don't want to blindly believe.