Poll

Who is everyone voting for this year

Trump
90%
Biden
6.7%
None
3.3%
Total Members Voted
30

Who is everyone voting for this year (president) (Read 47792 times)

omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2020, 10:40:08 AM »
We already have national carry and no magazine restrictions it’s called the 2nd amendment. If you’ve been paying attention the 9th circuit has already ruled in favor of open carry, and “high capacity magazines”.

Now I’m gonna throw you a bone here and admit that I believe Trump doesn’t understand the 2nd amendment like he thinks he does. What’s hilarious here is that you’ll vote for the guy who will literally ban you from ever buying your suppressed 300 black out. Tell me how that makes sense.

I agree with you on the 2nd amendment part.  But having a federal law clarifying it doesn't hurt.  There's many other pro gun laws he could of done also like fix the stupid background checks. 

A broken promise hurts more than no promise.

TBH I am going to ride on the fact that I have the republican senate to stop him.  Maybe the supreme court.  Its not a good choice,  but I'm getting ready to have kids and guns isn't everything.  I want them to have a good future. 
As an independent its really hard when both choices/parties suck.  Do I want to eat this shit or that shit?  They both shit in the end T_T

Brystont1

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2020, 10:46:49 AM »
I agree with you on the 2nd amendment part.  But having a federal law clarifying it doesn't hurt.  There's many other pro gun laws he could of done also like fix the stupid background checks. 

A broken promise hurts more than no promise.

TBH I am going to ride on the fact that I have the republican senate to stop him.  Maybe the supreme court.  Its not a good choice,  but I'm getting ready to have kids and guns isn't everything.  I want them to have a good future. 
As an independent its really hard when both choices/parties suck.  Do I want to eat this shit or that shit?  They both shit in the end T_T

Congress job is not to “clarify” the law. That what the judicial branch is for and that is where trumps judges will serve us well.

omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2020, 11:01:19 AM »
Congress job is not to “clarify” the law. That what the judicial branch is for and that is where trumps judges will serve us well.

You know what I do agree.  But personally the conservative supreme court is mixed feelings.  I get my gun rights clarified and lose abortion rights.

Brystont1

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2020, 11:09:08 AM »
You know what I do agree.  But personally the conservative supreme court is mixed feelings.  I get my gun rights clarified and lose abortion rights.

I disagree. Roe v wade has super precedent and will never be re heard. However even if it was overturned all it would do is leave it up to the states to decide abortion laws and Hawaii will without a doubt allow abortions to continue. I’m not interested in another back and forth about abortion so this will be my only response on the topic.

I’m glad we could come to agree on something though  :shaka:

stangzilla

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2020, 12:02:19 PM »
who's the one person voting for biden?

groveler

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2020, 12:07:17 PM »
who's the one person voting for biden?
My money is on OG.

QUIETShooter

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2020, 12:09:06 PM »
who's the one person voting for biden?

I believe it's Biden.  He must be a member of this forum....... :crazy:  He just doesn't post because then he'll blow his cover when he says stupid things.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2020, 12:11:17 PM »
Joe Biden promises to put Beto O’Rourke in charge of gun control


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Moments after former Democratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke — who promised in a
September debate to take away legally purchased assault rifles if elected — endorsed Joe Biden’s
White House run, the former vice president promised to name the Texan as his point man on gun
control.

“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him,”
Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re going to take care of the gun
problem with me. You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.”


“I’m counting on you. I’m counting on you,” Biden continued. “We need you badly, the state needs you,
the country needs you. You’re the best.”

O’Rourke, a former congressman from El Paso, dropped out of the race last November.

He notably railed against automatic weapons during a presidential debate in September and reiterated his
backing of a mandatory gun buyback program, saying such weapons were “designed to kill on the battlefield.”


“Hell, yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47,” O’Rourke said. “We’re not going to allow it to be used
against our fellow Americans anymore.”


https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden-promises-to-put-beto-orourke-in-charge-of-gun-control/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2020, 12:13:27 PM »
who's the one person voting for biden?
I think Macsak said he would.  Y'all should flame him.   ;D

groveler

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2020, 12:17:35 PM »
I agree with you on the 2nd amendment part.  But having a federal law clarifying it doesn't hurt.  There's many other pro gun laws he could of done also like fix the stupid background checks. 

A broken promise hurts more than no promise.

TBH I am going to ride on the fact that I have the republican senate to stop him.  Maybe the supreme court.  Its not a good choice,  but I'm getting ready to have kids and guns isn't everything.  I want them to have a good future. 
As an independent its really hard when both choices/parties suck.  Do I want to eat this shit or that shit?  They both shit in the end T_T
I'm well known to dislike both parties to different degrees.
I've raised kids and been married over 43 years to the same
beautiful woman.
Everything in life is a trade off.
Nothing is perfect and if you think you
won, duck!  Something is about to nail
you down the line.
Everybody takes a bite out of the shit sandwich.
What you do afterwards defines what kind
of person you are,

robtmc

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2020, 02:39:01 PM »
I think Macsak said he would.  Y'all should flame him.   ;D
Got to be him or the kid that wants to keep the ability to get an abortion..................

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2020, 03:08:50 PM »
If you read this entire webpage from Joe Biden's campaign on 'ending the gun violence "epidemic"', and still think his ideas on the Second Amendment are better than Trump's, then I predict you are already in the process of selling all your guns in order to buy a double barrel shotgun -- and nothing else.

THE BIDEN PLAN TO END OUR GUN VIOLENCE EPIDEMIC

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Hold gun manufacturers accountable.

Get weapons of war off our streets.

   - Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
   - Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. (i.e making "Assault Weapons" restricted under the NFA, just like suppressors and SBRs)
   - Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities.
   - Reduce stockpiling of weapons. (Limit 1 gun purchase per month)

Keep guns out of dangerous hands.
   - Require background checks for all gun sales.
   - Close other loopholes in the federal background check system.  ("boyfriend loophole" --  :wtf: ?? )
   - Reinstate the Obama-Biden policy to keep guns out of the hands of certain people unable to manage their affairs for mental reasons, which President Trump reversed.
   - Close the “hate crime loophole.” (misdemeanor hate crime, or enhanced sentence for a misdemeanor because of hate or bias will prohibit you from gun possession/ownership)
   - Close the “Charleston loophole.” (Extends NICS background check timeline from three to 10 business days)
   - Close the “fugitive from justice” loophole created by the Trump Administration. (records of almost 500,000 fugitives from justice who are prohibited from purchasing firearms were deleted from the background check system. The Biden Administration will restore these records.  Basically, just having a warrant, not a conviction, will be enough under Biden to prohibit gun possession/ownership)

End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts. (Goodbye, Hawaii access to affordable and variety of shooting supplies).

Create an effective program to ensure individuals who become prohibited from possessing firearms relinquish their weapons. (RAP-BACK Nationwide?)

Incentivize state “extreme risk” laws.  ... also called “red flag” laws...

Give states incentives to set up gun licensing programs. (NY adds about 1 year and $1,500 to the cost of purchasing a firearm for their license to own).

Adequately fund the background check system.  (This is laughable, since the states have no mandatory reporting requirements for NICS.  The backlog of data states submit for entering into NICS is MASSIVE)


https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2020, 04:31:40 PM »
If you read this entire webpage from Joe Biden's campaign on 'ending the gun violence "epidemic"', and still think his ideas on the Second Amendment are better than Trump's, then I predict you are already in the process of selling all your guns in order to buy a double barrel shotgun -- and nothing else.

THE BIDEN PLAN TO END OUR GUN VIOLENCE EPIDEMIC

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#

I have never said he is better than trump on the 2nd amendment.  Biden absolutely sucks in every single way.  I am not a 1 issue voter though.  And I am just hoping really hard republicans control the senate to block everything.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2020, 05:36:30 PM »
I have never said he is better than trump on the 2nd amendment.  Biden absolutely sucks in every single way.  I am not a 1 issue voter though.  And I am just hoping really hard republicans control the senate to block everything.

Obama showed us the Democrats don't need control of Congress to pass executive orders and pick-and-choose what laws to enforce -- i.e. sanctuary cities, border enforcement, DACA, banning certain firearms/ammo/accessories, Occupy Wall Street lawlessness, riots in Ferguson and other cities, and so on.  Depending on the balance of power doesn't work now, because the Congress has relegated a lot of their powers to the Executive  or Judicial branches.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Heavies

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2020, 05:59:07 PM »
As a gun owner, and, supposedly, a defender of 2A rights, why in hell would you vote for Biden?   

Why not the Libertarian candidate? 

ren

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2020, 06:12:22 PM »
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2020, 06:19:49 PM »
As a gun owner, and, supposedly, a defender of 2A rights, why in hell would you vote for Biden?   

Why not the Libertarian candidate?


A vote for Biden is actually a vote for Harris.  To deny that is to deny reality.  Biden will be 78 if inaugurated in 2021.

Anybody want to bet whether or not Biden will be able to serve his entire first term?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2020, 07:08:31 PM »
Deeds Not Words

omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #58 on: October 07, 2020, 10:19:39 PM »
As a gun owner, and, supposedly, a defender of 2A rights, why in hell would you vote for Biden?   

Why not the Libertarian candidate?

Unfortunately in this current political scheme we only have 2 options.  Any vote for anyone else is a non vote.  Though I mean we live in Hawaii, all our votes are democratic automatic.  Trump's only good point for me is guns.  Everything else I am against.  I am not an 1 issue voter so consciously I just can't put myself to vote for him.  I voted from him last time but I learned and I wont vote for him again. 
I feel horrible but Biden has 3 major views I support,  climate change, Abortion and science.  I also believe he will handle Covid better.  Everything else he is kinda shit.  But 3 > 1 so  what choice do I have.  Unless trump kicks the bucket I might vote pence, would have to research him further. 

FYI.  My top 5 views are in this order

Freedom
Science
Guns
Climate change
Abortion/personal choice rights

omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2020, 10:20:16 PM »

A vote for Biden is actually a vote for Harris.  To deny that is to deny reality.  Biden will be 78 if inaugurated in 2021.

Anybody want to bet whether or not Biden will be able to serve his entire first term?

And trump is a 74yr old obese man....is a vote for him pence?